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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: topotheturn on December 11, 2020, 01:59:10 PM
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Regardless, produced some of the biggest and best names in harness racing history. Was ahead of his time
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Should’ve gone to jail
But regardless.....
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Bill could knock 4 seconds off a horse in 12 hours.
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Greatest EPO user of all time!!
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Regardless, produced some of the biggest and best names in harness racing history. Was ahead of his time
No my friend his drugs of choice was ahead of his time!
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No my friend his drugs of choice was ahead of his time!
lol ya that’s what I meant to say. Paved the way for the rest of them.
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one of the biggest crooks of all time , will rot in hell
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you people are aweful miserable mutherfuckers
wishing ill on the dead..
he cheated ,,hes dead ,,
i f you guys had any balls you guys should have said all this crap to his face
WHEN HE WAS ALIVE ,,as per usual the tuff bad ass talk only comes from the keyboard
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its real tuff of you people to talk tuff when a guy is dead..
with that being said..
RIP,,MR ROBINSON..
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Come on people. Like to know who you guys are bashing this guy. He has a family grieving today and probably for a few weeks. Are we not supposed to be nice to people enduring these times. I bet everyone of you have bashed have had issues, problems, etc. And I will bet any money none of you had the success of Bill
I got to know Bill in 1991 in Florida when we had a small cheaper stable. Every time I asked him a question he would answer and not once talked about drugs. I have some great stuff to pass along and will but few hours of work left.
I just read the article on the Canada Racing site
https://standardbredcanada.ca/notices/12-11-20/william-bill-robinson-passes.html
Had a lot of top horses.
And the guys who drove these things, Campbell, Jack Mo, Pierce, Brown should be posting stuff on social media and tell us about the real Bill. These guys are pros and so was Bill. If they are too scared to send in a comment somewhere on line then shame on you guys. This manmade you dudes a lot of cabbage. So Mr Campbell if you are not caught up in the political BS, please tells us some stuff ab out Bill.
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well this will certainly spark some lively debate
clearly there are people on two extreme sides of this story
'he certainly did fade off into the sunset at a rather young age( for horse trainers)
fair to say he has not been really involved for at least 20-25 years
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RIP, Bill, he was one of thee Best.
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Great Christian and Family Man.
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Great Christian and Family Man.
and good family guy
always bought presents at xmas time
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Bill could hang a horse up ...no doubt
Ones he claimed he often took OFF lasix
His horses jogged on the watch...not miles
RULE
No employee allowed in stable area..between 2 and 4PM
"Horses needed rest...which doesn't happen when people are around"........quote Bill
BUT
The year Jackie Mo was set down for " too many infractions"........the quote of weak judges and the USTA who posted the suspension as such...instead of gross inconsistent driving....settin g horse up
Ron Waples picked up the drives ..especially on Presidential Ball
One Saturday they raced a couple at Meadowlands afternoon ..and then they raced to Newark NJ airport forthe 2 hour flight to Toronto..where they had a few other top horses in to race
They only had carry on luggage..and Bill always flew 1st class
He put his bag and attache case in the overhead bin..and settled down for the 2 hour trip
Turbulence was strong..and their airplane went thru it.......the plane shook..and some of the overhead storage bins came open.......includ ing the one where Bill had stored his bags.
A couple of bottles in his bag..broke open and spilled on the airplane carpet........
The plane arrived in Toronto 1 hour early
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A legend Rip William Robinson
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RIP Bill
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Condolences to Robinson family.
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Lots of nice tributes out there today from real horse people and not some jack off anonymous jealous pricks on Horseplop.
RIP Bill.
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Lots of nice tributes out there today from real horse people and not some jack off anonymous jealous pricks on Horseplop.
RIP Bill.
You can choke on it right down to the bag
Robinson was a fucking cheat
Should’ve been in jail
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Stay jelly
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Send us your racing numbers whatever your involvement. Photo of your home. Your Family.
People cant be judged by their job. I take it you never met him, talked to him. Spent time with him,
If you are close to being a decent person you would nit talk about the man like that
You can choke on it right down to the bag
Robinson was a fucking cheat
Should’ve been in jail
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What about it. Tellus
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Punishment was handed down because they didn't notify the ORC of the horses death or did they try to cover it up according to the ORC. Which brings to point when it was government run they did hand out stiff penalties now the Governor General run AGCO does nothing.
Please...
Sober up and try again.
Thanks
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Punishment was handed down because they didn't notify the ORC of the horses death or did they try to cover it up according to the ORC. Which brings to point when it was government run they did hand out stiff penalties now the Governor General run AGCO does nothing.
Guys like Iceman slept in mornings and played cards in the afternoons while Bill worked. He pushed the envelope in every way but probably the smartest horsemen you could meet. If you ever went to his farm his track was immaculate 24/7 , 365 days a year. In February when it was -25, you could train any trip on his track. The best trainer ever.
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Some people have a personality disorder that makes them want to lash out against successful people. There is help out there for them.
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Bill Robinson was one of the greatest horsemen that ever lived. Trained many Champions and
His barn and horses always were turned out immaculate.
RIP Bill -elite horseman loved by his real fans and family.
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No I'm up 4:30 every morning while your still getting ass fucked by Calhoun while blowing your other queer buddy Mazola. You three should just shut the fuck up when you never in the game.
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I'm having an "I'm glad Bill is dead party right now" Lot's of happy people here right now
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No I'm up 4:30 every morning
Someone has got to make the donuts.
We appreciate you
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didn't know the man but knew of him but thats all
from my recollection he did have a lot of positives so yes there is that
and on a more general topic just because someone passes doesn't all of a sudden make them a saint
if someone did some bad shit you take it with you , it doesn't get washed away in holly water
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You have a lot to say for someone never in the game. We never miss a day training even in bad weather that's why I'm up at 4:30 grooming the track every day.
In what world do you think anyone is jealous of an ancient nobody who rides a tractor every day in the cold in the middle of the night? ngc3 ngc3
I've owned a world champ and a Derby-BCClassic winner. tmbz1
How much for two blueberry muffins? tmbz1
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Calhoun. You is one happy man. Bet all around love being around you, NOT. If you get nastier we may have a serial killer on line.
Please...
Sober up and try again.
Thanks
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the only judge is our maker so what I wish for him makes no difference only our maker will decide.
What/who is our maker ? Can you prove this ?
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Bill Robinson was one of the greatest horsemen that ever lived. Trained many Champions and
His barn and horses always were turned out immaculate.
RIP Bill -elite horseman loved by his real fans and family.
Another bag licker
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Horses trained by Robinson captured the majority of harness racing's major stakes events, and on multiple occasions. Robinson-trained horses have won the North America Cup (4 times), Meadowlands Pace (3), Little Brown Jug (3), Jugette (1), Breeders Crown (3), Confederation Cup (3), Canadian Pacing Derby (4), US Pacing Championship (3), Adios (2), Art Rooney (3), Provincial Cup (3) Messenger (3), Windy City Pace (3), Nassagaweya (5) and Maple Leaf Trotting Classic (1).
JUST FUCKING WOW WITH THIS LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS. AND STILL NOT IN A HALL OF FAME.
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Never met the man so I can't comment on him personally but professionally I believe he is the only trainer that paid off a $100,000 fine. First person with an EPO positive that came from frozen specimen after they discovered a test for epogen. Was he a cheat ? Yes caught several times with different drugs...tco2
Took a lot of money off honest people and made a lot of drivers rich.
NO HALL OF FAME FOR BILL
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Did any tracks honor him with a tribute and a moment of silence ?
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I would ask most of you who have posted negative comments to just take a step back for a moment. Every positive comment about Bill Robinson has come from people who have met him. He was indeed the dominant trainer of his era.
When he got sick a few years ago I lead the charge to get him into the Hall of Fame. Sadly, I failed. I still believe he belongs there.
My most memorable moment was when I was producing the TV show from the Little Brown jug in 1993 to a network of TV systems around Canada and the U https://youtu.be/I8-W2jgub5o nited States. That year Bill Robinson was the tal htt https://youtu.be/I8-W2jgub5o ps://youtu.be/I8-W2jgub5o k of the town and provided all the drama for that show.
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Horses trained by Robinson captured the majority of harness racing's major stakes events, and on multiple occasions. Robinson-trained horses have won the North America Cup (4 times), Meadowlands Pace (3), Little Brown Jug (3), Jugette (1), Breeders Crown (3), Confederation Cup (3), Canadian Pacing Derby (4), US Pacing Championship (3), Adios (2), Art Rooney (3), Provincial Cup (3) Messenger (3), Windy City Pace (3), Nassagaweya (5) and Maple Leaf Trotting Classic (1).
JUST FUCKING WOW WITH THIS LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS. AND STILL NOT IN A HALL OF FAME.
Barry Bonds isn't in the Baseball Hall of Fame either
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If Bill Robinson goes in the Hall of Fame they should get a group of his suspended sons, beards and other associates who worked for him to do induction speeches
Bill Elliott
George Plyey
Nat Varty
Sean Robinson
Brett Robinson
Carl Conte Jr
Duane Marfisi
Jeff Webster
Monte Gelrod
I'm sure I am missing 5 or 6 others from the stable who also were banned or suspended.
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Come Iceman drain the fucking ice out of your veins.
Below is the real Bill Robinson. Just because he out smarted everyone and ran his stable like a BUSINESS and had better pre race stuff. Everyone in racing wanted the best stuff and they would go to Bill and get it. He told me some good ole stories, but it would take an hour to remember all the names who came to his farm but Fellows and Artandi were the two off the top of my head.
What a great trainer and better man! Your family should be proud of your great accomplishments! Our family did business with the Robinson family for nearly 30 years and during that entire time never so much as had harsh words. In the racing business we have met and seen many fine trainers and wonderful people - but none better than the Robinson family. Bill was perhaps the most misunderstood person in our sport. I am glad to see so many great comments [ Bill would have enjoyed reading them ] Bill, you are finally at peace - ENJOY
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Come Iceman drain the fucking ice out of your veins.
Below is the real Bill Robinson. Just because he out smarted everyone and ran his stable like a BUSINESS and had better pre race stuff. Everyone in racing wanted the best stuff and they would go to Bill and get it. He told me some good ole stories, but it would take an hour to remember all the names who came to his farm but Fellows and Artandi were the two off the top of my head.
What a great trainer and better man! Your family should be proud of your great accomplishments! Our family did business with the Robinson family for nearly 30 years and during that entire time never so much as had harsh words. In the racing business we have met and seen many fine trainers and wonderful people - but none better than the Robinson family. Bill was perhaps the most misunderstood person in our sport. I am glad to see so many great comments [ Bill would have enjoyed reading them ] Bill, you are finally at peace - ENJOY
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Bill would take horses off mopes like Iceman and drop two seconds when they walked into the barn because he didn`t race horses like they did on the 60`s. Four alums., let their head down about a foot, hobbles out 3 inches....he did things his own way, everyone criticized him but couldn`t beat him. Then people started trying to copy. I think that year he had 3yr olds Mach Three, Art Major, Red River, Million Dollar Cam, Dreamfare Vogel, Bradgs Gold, Pacific Titan, on top of a stable of top open mares and FFA horses....never see another roster like that in one stable.
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Bill had common sense. Takes you a long way in life peeps.
Lance Fag if anybody should know about head down is you while Calpoon let's you wash his helmet.
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Lets see... who do I go with as the more accomplished?
Robinson who trained a barn full of top horses?
Or
Iceman who "quit" training 40 years ago, traded that "career" for getting on a tractor in freezing rain at 4:30 am every fucking day and will not tell us the name of one single horse he ever owned?
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I'm confused. I thought he was the head doughnut maker at the Walmart bakery. Which is it ?
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Tim Hortons
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seperating the person out of this as many suggest he was a fine person which is great
but if you want to focus on the horse racing only the list of positives seem to suggest he did more than change shoes and let out hobbles on horses
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Dreamfair Vogel is one of the most memorable to walk in the shed row & race huge immediately...
Art Major could barely lift his feet before he hung the harness in the stable.
No matter what people say about Robinson, positive tests etc.... his owners loved him, never padded bills with vets being there constantly, used homemade remedies to treat horse ailments & helped other horsemen out...
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Marty I have for the most part agreed with many things you have said but having raced against Bill with his chemical horses I have to disagree on him being in the HOF.
Iceman
I appreciate your posts, and your support. You were kind in disagreeing with me. You are indeed a gentleman. There will not be a back and fourth, but consider this.
Have you ever met Bill Robinson? To a person, anyone who has, has come away impressed. In the Jug show posted earlier, his interview with me, reveals what he does to turn a horse around. If you have ever seen his horses up close, you would have seen specimens of animals. His issues with racing came mostly from those jealous of his success.
You know yourself when someone is having a great deal of success the negative rumours begin.
Iceman I enjoy your insights but on this subject we will have to agree to disagree.
Respectfully,
Marty Adler
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you people are aweful miserable mutherfuckers
wishing ill on the dead..
he cheated ,,hes dead ,,
i f you guys had any balls you guys should have said all this crap to his face
WHEN HE WAS ALIVE ,,as per usual the tuff bad ass talk only comes from the keyboard
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its real tuff of you people to talk tuff when a guy is dead..
with that being said..
RIP,,MR ROBINSON..
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Like saying RIP Charles Manson.
Hope it was ass cancer for the way he abused countless horses.
Why don't you get a plaque and bust of this scumbag put in your living room?
Start working your way up to being a moron.
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RIP Big Bill..you were and always will be the man who helped many people in need..you made great horses,special memories and put drivers careers in high gear..A true champion of champions,your legend is etched in stone,my condolences to Brett,Shawn and the entire Robinson family..to all the scumbag haters hiding behind your media accounts,fuck you,Bill was an awesome friend..Be kind.!!
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ONE DEAD AND HOPEFULLY MANY MORE OF YOU CHEATING BASTARDS TO FOLLOW
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RIP Big Bill..you were and always will be the man who helped many people in need..you made great horses,special memories and put drivers careers in high gear..A true champion of champions,your legend is etched in stone,my condolences to Brett,Shawn and the entire Robinson family..to all the scumbag haters hiding behind your media accounts,fuck you,Bill was an awesome friend..Be kind.!!
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Dreamfair Vogel is one of the most memorable to walk in the shed row & race huge immediately...
Art Major could barely lift his feet before he hung the harness in the stable.
No matter what people say about Robinson, positive tests etc.... his owners loved him, never padded bills with vets being there constantly, used homemade remedies to treat horse ailments & helped other horsemen out...
Thats funny, of course his owners loved him! And vets ect, he paid his bills!
Bunch of stupid people defending a drugger 👏
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Oreo.
His issues did not come from jealous people.
All the positives with him and family caused the
rumours not jealousy.
The family between them probably had more positives
In the history of the business in Canada than anyone else.
Yes he helped a lot along the way and where are these guys now?
You think his long suspension and large fine was on
account of jealous competitors?
This is not about someone being a good person it is about
How he acted in this business.
You were a competitor yourself hope the druggies
did not take money out of your pockets.
Being in the business yourself and close to the scene you probably
know the answer to that.
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Oreo.
His issues did not come from jealous people.
All the positives with him and family caused the
rumours not jealousy.
The family between them probably had more positives
In the history of the business in Canada than anyone else.
Yes he helped a lot along the way and where are these guys now?
You think his long suspension and large fine was on
account of jealous competitors?
This is not about someone being a good person it is about
How he acted in this business.
You were a competitor yourself hope the druggies
did not take money out of your pockets.
Being in the business yourself and close to the scene you probably
know the answer to that.
Colin and Cory Johnson are close for having most combined positive tests
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Some people on here seem to think that it's alright to cheat as long as you are a nice person and help others.
Bill Robinson was caught using epo and was probably one of the first to use it at quite an advantage. If you look at the history of some of these horses he had they did improve to the point that it was hard to believe it was the same horse.
So Bill Robinson nice guy but cheat horseman.
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well said duke
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Some people on here seem to think that it's alright to cheat as long as you are a nice person and help others.
Bill Robinson was caught using epo and was probably one of the first to use it at quite an advantage. If you look at the history of some of these horses he had they did improve to the point that it was hard to believe it was the same horse.
So Bill Robinson nice guy but cheat horseman.
They take a page out of Edward Bernays "Propaganda" Book. In it, the elitists who control the worlds wealth curate a philanthropic image to display to the world while stealing every damn nickel from them. Some people just bend over and smile while they take it up the ass.
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true for so many people.
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TUBE ONE FOR BILL THIS WEEKEND!
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If you look at the history of some of these horses he had they did improve to the point that it was hard to believe it was the same horse.
So Bill Robinson nice guy but cheat horseman.
I was at Greenwood quite a lot back in the 80's. Most horseplayers that were OJC regulars knew how well Bill Robinson could improve a horses performance.
One night I remember well: Doug Arthur had a 4 yr old mare that was a long time maiden, Cinnamon Reel. This mare was lucky to finish 4th on a given night and was always long odds. Owners moved the horse to Robinsons barn and her first start under Bill she opened up at 1/5 and closed at low odds, like 1-2 or something. Cinnamon Reel went to the front, had a long lead and opened up in the stretch to win by 10+ lengths. Was never in doubt and bettors knew it just from looking at the trainer in the program that she was going to win. Robinson was a juicer no doubt.
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EPO was responsible for more horses dying or wishing they were dead than any other drug in horse racing and this fucking guy was the king of it and introduced it to many of his associates. It put a horses blood count through the roof when given it. The problem was when they stopped getting it they went through the crash because their bodies couldn`t naturally produce red blood cells anymore.It ruined more horses than you could ever count. He literally stole money from all he raced against. How many owners who claimed EPO horses that crashed and were worthless do you think said fuck it and left the business? This guy was no HOFer, he was a chemist and that doesn`t mean shit! If you support him, you made money with him while fucking your competitors. I don`t wish death on him and I am sorry for his family`s loss but I wouldn`t praise his career either. Do you consider the freshly charged trainers like Allard and the boys HOFers? It`s the same difference. If he was still active today, there is a good chance he would have been joining them.
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SO WHAT IF HORSES DIE. THEY CAN BE REPLACED. THIS SPORT IS ABOUT WINNING RACES FOR BETTORS. AND BILL DID THAT BETTER THAN MOST
SOMETHING MOST OF YOU IDIOTS HAVE FORGOTTEN.
HORSES CAN BE REPLACED, HUMANS CANT,
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If you have something to say about bill say it to his face when he is alive.
To put the guy down when he is 6 feet under is gutless. Have respect for his family. He went through 25 years of hell with parkinsons.
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If you have something to say about bill say it to his face when he is alive.
To put the guy down when he is 6 feet under is gutless. Have respect for his family. He went through 25 years of hell with parkinsons.
Karma sure is a bitch isn't it?
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SO WHAT IF HORSES DIE. THEY CAN BE REPLACED. THIS SPORT IS ABOUT WINNING RACES FOR BETTORS. AND BILL DID THAT BETTER THAN MOST
SOMETHING MOST OF YOU IDIOTS HAVE FORGOTTEN.
HORSES CAN BE REPLACED, HUMANS CANT,
Arguably the dumbest thing I've ever read here...."horses can be replaced, humans cant"
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EPO was responsible for more horses dying or wishing they were dead than any other drug in horse racing and this fucking guy was the king of it and introduced it to many of his associates. It put a horses blood count through the roof when given it. The problem was when they stopped getting it they went through the crash because their bodies couldn`t naturally produce red blood cells anymore.It ruined more horses than you could ever count. He literally stole money from all he raced against. How many owners who claimed EPO horses that crashed and were worthless do you think said fuck it and left the business? This guy was no HOFer, he was a chemist and that doesn`t mean shit! If you support him, you made money with him while fucking your competitors. I don`t wish death on him and I am sorry for his family`s loss but I wouldn`t praise his career either. Do you consider the freshly charged trainers like Allard and the boys HOFers? It`s the same difference. If he was still active today, there is a good chance he would have been joining them.
Yes I know when Barely Visible got claimed off him , the horses hair all fell out, he crashed and couldnt keep on any weight.
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If you have something to say about bill say it to his face when he is alive.
To put the guy down when he is 6 feet under is gutless. Have respect for his family. He went through 25 years of hell with parkinsons.
Dumbest post ever , people keep defending these cheating fucks
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Dreamfair Vogel is one of the most memorable to walk in the shed row & race huge immediately...
Art Major could barely lift his feet before he hung the harness in the stable.
No matter what people say about Robinson, positive tests etc.... his owners loved him, never padded bills with vets being there constantly, used homemade remedies to treat horse ailments & helped other horsemen out...
I remember Dreamfair Vogel.....first time Robinson, just got roughed up in the Confed. Cup..........went off at 30-1 with Waples driving, jogs in 49.4. Tri paid $4400. Lance had fun that night.
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I remember Dreamfair Vogel.....first time Robinson, just got roughed up in the Confed. Cup..........went off at 30-1 with Waples driving, jogs in 49.4. Tri paid $4400. Lance had fun that night.
Yes I too remember that night well. Vogel's previously best time was 1:53 if I've not lost my memory.
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I remember Dreamfair Vogel.....first time Robinson, just got roughed up in the Confed. Cup..........went off at 30-1 with Waples driving, jogs in 49.4. Tri paid $4400. Lance had fun that night.
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Bottom line when Robinson horses went to the track it was all business and if they didn't win the homework began. Some of them got this and some of them got that. I know one thing is those animals were cared for better than most of the people in the paddocks on race nights. And if I was to line up 50 trainers and asked them if they have ever used a drug as a PED, and they had to be 100 percent truthful, how many would say they have??
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Bottom line when Robinson horses went to the track it was all business and if they didn't win the homework began. Some of them got this and some of them got that. I know one thing is those animals were cared for better than most of the people in the paddocks on race nights. And if I was to line up 50 trainers and asked them if they have ever used a drug as a PED, and they had to be 100 percent truthful, how many would say they have??
Cared for better than most people? By loading them up with EPO?
Give your f***ing head a shake.
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No the bottom line is he didn't care what he was doing to the horse as long as he got his. You pal are fucked up from the get go and I would like to shoot you up with some of the chemicals he shot up his horses with.
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