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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Powerful Patricks Ghost on February 19, 2019, 12:14:41 AM
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What would you say are important factors, either known or unknown to public, whether driver will give a maximum effort to win?
1) Race has been fixed (Unknown)
2) Big purse (Known)
3) Horse being claimed (Known and unknown)
4) Race has been fixed (Unknown)
5) Horse must leave class (known)
6) Narratives e.g. horse's last start, driver/trainer/owner record. (Known and Unknown)
7) Horse received pre-race and vet work (Unknown)
8 ) Quid pro quo e.g. driver has been promised something (other than money) for a favorable finish (unknown)
Any others that I'm missing here? Doesn't have to be something that is likely, just possible. Doesn't have to be something that could be known to the public but those examples are preferred.
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it doesn't matter there racing for to much money the slot money should go to the fan not the thieving motherfu--- trainer driver lets give back to the slot 95 back pay back instead giving these crooks that money its disgusting or to roads or education youll still have raceing trainers put up the purse then they can fuck each other like in the day
This isn't helpful in the last but thanks?
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I used to bet for them to get a half assed try out of them.
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Many years ago..and probably true today..jockeys getting 100 dollar win tickets slid into boot by trainer or owner..'riders up'
like aqua caliente, youd think that incentive thing would help the cause
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it doesn't matter there racing for to much money the slot money should go to the fan not the thieving motherfu--- trainer driver lets give back to the slot 95 back pay back instead giving these crooks that money its disgusting or to roads or education youll still have raceing trainers put up the purse then they can fuck each other like in the day
you're overgeneralyzing - there might be a few sneaks in the paddocks - but, there are a lot of above board trainers and honest drivers trying their best.
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When the driver announces to a few of us railbirds as he turns for the gate, “I think I can win this race,” wins at north of 10-1, and as he comes back to the winner’s circle says, “I told you so!” This actually happened earlier this month at Ppk, and I was smart enough to have a ticket. He shall remain anonymous!
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What would you say are important factors, either known or unknown to public, whether driver will give a maximum effort to win?
1) Race has been fixed (Unknown)
Specifically define "fixed" Does that mean they are all in on it? There are usually a few in the race that are not part of the "clique"
Not a terrible idea to tip the driver, done it. Not all the time, but if your horses is ripping it up week after week. I know with Julie Krone, the accepted procedure was a $50 Win bet.
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When the driver's wife or girl friend is hanging near the winner's circle, bet and don't be shy.
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Steve Smith off, anyone else on
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Lore at Greenwood Raceway late 80s...condren used to drive a couple of greek owners.....when owner and fam and friends there in clubhouse, owner WASNT there to celebrate loss.....go hard.....
--and of course nothing when clubhouse empty
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When, during the post parade, the driver points to himself and mouths the words "bet on me!"
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Driver changes used to be HUUUUUUGE
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WHEN HE PASSES BLACK BOX
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Specifically define "fixed" Does that mean they are all in on it? There are usually a few in the race that are not part of the "clique"
Not a terrible idea to tip the driver, done it. Not all the time, but if your horses is ripping it up week after week. I know with Julie Krone, the accepted procedure was a $50 Win bet.
For the sake of the thread I'm using a pretty loose definition. Classic example would be everyone is in on it. Probably the rarest and hardest to do. Most common (I'd imagine) is one major favorite going dead. Purpose of the thread was to gather what people perceive as getting a winning steer.
So far, personally paying the driver in the form of a wager or tip seems to be the most suggested outcome. Followed by incentives from connections (owner's family being at the track).
Nothing that can really be publicly known so far.
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If the driver warms up after the post parade like they have been shot out of a gun, I believe you can expect that horse to be leaving a ton.
If a win will move a horse up in class its next start and it has no chance of winning at that class, I'm not betting it to win this week.
If a trainer with an excellent chemist for a vet claims a horse or is given a horse that is competitive, but just doesn't have good enough closing speed to be consistently good, bet it. When the juice kicks in, that horse is going to have its best final quarter on record.
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Ppg - ignoring fixing and in no order. You covered it pretty well. I usually refer to this intent. IMHO some horses are just readying for the next effort.
-Very impt to me is an aggressive try in prior race from difficult position. Also indicative is the score down. A horse leaving from outside will usually be well warmed in score down. Big purse is a given. Dumping a horse there would be foolish.
-Form
-Condition - nw of 2 and 3 in particular is very impt to know trainers and drivers. Some just milk these categories. And often the best horse has zero intent of winning. These are great play against in horizontals - tossing off ticket pays off in long run and so what if one beats you every now and then. It's gambling.
I also watch in NW of $ whether a out of $ finish will allow a horse to drop next start.
-Driver tendancies. Some that are less aggressive and content to hug rail. I often just use these drivers underneath.
- Claim
- Driver change - especially from trainer to catch or to an aggressive driver off poor drive. Driver change can tend to be over bet.
- Trainer change from low percentage to barn that often moves horses up off change.
- lot of other intangibles.
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Steve Smith off, anyone else on
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the 2 most important factors:
Tetrick and Miller
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What would you say are important factors, either known or unknown to public, whether driver will give a maximum effort to win?
1) Race has been fixed (Unknown)
2) Big purse (Known)
3) Horse being claimed (Known and unknown)
4) Race has been fixed (Unknown)
5) Horse must leave class (known)
6) Narratives e.g. horse's last start, driver/trainer/owner record. (Known and Unknown)
7) Horse received pre-race and vet work (Unknown)
8 ) Quid pro quo e.g. driver has been promised something (other than money) for a favorable finish (unknown)
Any others that I'm missing here? Doesn't have to be something that is likely, just possible. Doesn't have to be something that could be known to the public but those examples are preferred.
Find out who Larry Rolla is betting. I just finished his book, if 10% is true, no wonder this game is dying
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It sure ain't: JOSE L. ORTIZ.