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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2023, 05:57:20 AM »
LOL - How did he make his money?  He inherited it!  As for losing money it's only on paper!  He cries broke to get the NJ Subsidy Money.  If he would have negotiated the deal correct with Fan Duel he would be swimming in money.  Fact is he's a baphoon that didn't negotiate good and didn't get a piece of the internet gambling.  All those cars parked on the river from NY gambling doesn't do shit for Meadowlands because he gave that up in negotiations.  Only money gambled on site gets to Medowlands.  Now don't cry to hard because Jeffy has his money backed by the State.  He can't lose no matter what he puts in!  His investors lose it all if there is failure.  Jeffy can pull out any losses at 100% backed by the State.  That part he got right in negotiations.  He screwed his investors but he's all good.

You have made this statement concerning the state guaranteeing Gural 110% of his investment. The contract with a 110% return is for leasehold improvements. He would receive this money if the investment was a complete failure and he was no longer, a racetrack. It is standard business. When you improve a landlords property and leave the property, the cost of the improvements can be recovered by the lessee.  This is only the building. Any other loss or gain is the leasee's.     

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2023, 07:00:10 AM »
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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2023, 07:03:11 AM »
Fired Eddison Hatter??? 

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2023, 07:34:30 AM »
If Gural got into the horse business for profit he would have bailed out years ago. 

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2023, 08:09:38 AM »
Well if it wasn't for him there would be no Meadowlands no Tioga or Vernon where would you race with out them he doesn't need money he has lots been racing and breeding for years no one else stepped in to help racing in N.J. but him you can not like him but with out him there would be nothing.

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2023, 08:34:27 AM »
I think for a brief moment his intentions were good, or so it superficially seemed.  Yet now that the we see hypocrisy for what it is. Having eliminated certain trainers from the venue, all the while keeping hand selected others close at hand, for his own purpose makes for a safe bet that the venue despite others having invested. Is his own fiefdom to pillage.
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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2023, 09:42:50 AM »
 what he has well mis kept bigm from closing

what he has done poorly are

1 his dumbass amteur races,,,thta gamblers are forced to watch and bet

stupid ass rules that only apply to his enimies   drivers or trainers in his dog house
 and his constant repeating that hes the SAVIOR..

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2023, 10:31:17 AM »
So, if all that you say is true, what happens when he dies? He is ancient after all.

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2023, 11:01:11 AM »
So, if all that you say is true, what happens when he dies? He is ancient after all.

Harness racing will linger into extinction.
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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2023, 11:51:34 AM »
It is my understanding that Gural dislikes amateur races. I read an article where he said he doesn’t understand why his customers bet so much money on these races. However I guess he has accepted amateurs because it keeps the money flowing in. It is rather remarkable that the handle for amateurs is as large as races with professional drivers. And the handle in these races is larger than the handles at every other harness venue. Go figure?

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2023, 12:01:47 PM »
Better value, reduced skills to be sure, but usually equal among all drivers in the race, less corruption, etc. Sure with the amateurs the risk is greater, but so is the reward.

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2023, 01:36:23 PM »
Better value, reduced skills to be sure, but usually equal among all drivers in the race, less corruption, etc. Sure with the amateurs the risk is greater, but so is the reward.

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2023, 01:41:17 PM »
Has a blemish or two (a rarity in carnival stock that comprise racing)  but overall  tmbz1.

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2023, 02:57:10 PM »
Another thing that I think is funny and speaks to Gural's egotism and self-pompousness is that he wrote a Wikipedia page for himself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Gural

The format shows that this is a self-written biography, unlike the Wiki-written pages for actual celebrities.

He makes sure to write in second-hand, though, to make it seem like he was important enough for them to write one about him

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Re: Has Jeff gural hurt or helped harness racing
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2023, 05:10:14 PM »
Gural has done more to try to clean up the sport than any other racetrack operator in the last 40 years. Name 1 trainer he has banned that you think was uncalled for. The safety net on the M1 lease is for the original $100 million to build a new grandstand.  All investors will be covered by it if necessary.  If anyone thinks it is a big money maker for Gural. I’ll give you the same deal send any amount over $100 and in 15 years I will give back your original amount plus 10%. We will see who is laughing then

 

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