What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?

[JIDGE]

Take into consideration geographic location.

[Parked]

Depends if you are keeping or selling the yearling

[JIDGE]

Selling.

[Generation XYZ]

HESTON BLUE CHIP - Mainly not a big producer in PA.

[The Thorn]

If we are going to have this discussion, here is a list of everyone.   I think 20 grand for Tall Dark Stranger is a steep ask considering not one has stepped on a track in a competitive way and he's the 2nd highest of all along with his sire Bettor's Delight,  only Captain T has a higher fee.

All Bets Off      ON      $ 5,000   Seelster Farms   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Always B Miki      PA      $ 12,500   Diamond Creek Farm of Pennsylvania   ALWAYS A VIRGIN
American Courage      NY   $ 5,000   Blue Chip Farms, LLC   AMERICAN IDEAL
American Ideal      NY      $ 10,000   Blue Chip Farms, LLC   WESTERN IDEAL
Artspeak      ON      $ 4,000   Winbak Farm of Canada   WESTERN IDEAL
Best In Show      IN      $ 3,500   Premier Acres   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Betterthancheddar      ON   $ 5,000   Winbak Farm of Canada   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Betting Line      ON      $ 5,000   Winbak Farm of Canada   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Bettor's Delight      ON   $ 20,000   Winbak Farm of Canada   CAM'S CARD SHARK
Bettor's Wish      PA      $ 10,000   Diamond Creek Farm of Pennsylvania   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Big Jim      ON              $ 4,000   Seelster Farms   WESTERN IDEAL
Bit Of A Legend N      OH   $ 2,500   Midland Acres   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Boston Red Rocks      KY   $ 4,000   Melinda Farms   ROCKNROLL HANOVER
Bulldog Hanover      ON      $ 15,000   Seelster Farms   SHADOW PLAY
Capt Midnight      IN      $ 5,000   Premier Acres   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Captain Crunch      PA      $ 7,500   Diamond Creek Farm of Pennsylvania   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Captain Trevor      IL      $ 2,500   Univ Of Illinois Horse Clinic   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Captain Victorious      MI   $ 3,000   LilliVin Farm   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Captaintreacherou s      PA   $ 30,000   Hanover Shoe Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Catch The Fire      OH      $ 6,000   Sugar Valley Farm   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Century Farroh      ON      $ 5,000   Seelster Farms   MACH THREE
Classic Card Shark      DE   $ 3,500   Winbak Farm of Delaware   CAM'S CARD SHARK
Courtly Choice      NY      $ 6,000   Winbak Farm of New York   ART MAJOR
Dancin Yankee      OH      $ 2,500   Cool Winds Farms   YANKEE CRUISER
Dapper Dude      MD      $ 1,500   Harris Paints Stallion Station   THE PANDEROSA
Doctor Butch      VA      $ 3,000   Stony Ridge Farm   ART MAJOR
Downbytheseaside      OH   $ 17,500   Sugar Valley Farm   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Dude's The Man      ME      $ 2,000   DuPuis Farm   AMERICAN IDEAL
Fear The Dragon      OH      $ 4,000   Midland Acres   DRAGON AGAIN
Freaky Feet Pete      IN   $ 3,000   Ivy Lane Farm   ROCKIN IMAGE
Gulf Shores      MN      $ 2,000   Bluff Country Equine   DOWNBYTHESEASIDE
He's Watching      DE      $ 5,000   Winbak Farm of Delaware   AMERICAN IDEAL
Heart Of Chewbacca      OH   $ 2,500   Hagemeyer Farms   BRING ON THE BEACH
Heston Blue Chip      PA   $ 6,000   Diamond Creek Farm of PA on behalf of Winbak Farm   
Highalator      DE      $ 3,500   Safe Haven Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Huntsville      NY      $ 8,500   Cameo Hills Farm   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
In The Arsenal      NY      $ 2,000   Leatherstocking Equine Center   AMERICAN IDEAL
Jk Endofanera      IN      $ 7,500   Victory Hill Farm   ART MAJOR
Lather Up      OH      $ 6,000   Sugar Valley Farm   I'M GORGEOUS
Lazarus N      NJ      $ 10,000   Deo Volente Farms   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Luck Be Withyou      MI      $ 3,000   LilliVin Farm   WESTERN IDEAL
Mcwicked      ON      $ 6,500   Winbak Farm of Canada   MCARDLE
Megatron      MI      $ 2,000   Snow Ridge Farm   MACH THREE
Miso Fast      KY      $ 2,500   Emerald Valley Farm   ROLL WITH JOE
Monte Miki      OH      $ 5,000   Midland Acres   ALWAYS B MIKI
Papi Rob Hanover      PA   $ 10,000   Hanover Shoe Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Pebble Beach      KY      $ 7,500   Diamond Creek Farm of KY   DOWNBYTHESEASIDE
Perfect Sting      NJ      $ 10,000   Deo Volente Farms   ALWAYS B MIKI
Peyote      PA              $ 1,500   Sheer Heaven Farm   CAMBEST
Rockin Image      IN      $ 4,000   Victory Hill Farm   ROCKNROLL HANOVER
Rodeo Romeo      OH      $ 1,500   Hagemeyer Farms   ROCKNROLL HANOVER
Roll With Joe      NY      $ 4,000   Blue Chip Farms, LLC   CAM'S CARD SHARK
Shadow Play      NY      $ 6,000   Blue Chip Farms, LLC   THE PANDEROSA
So Surreal      NY      $ 3,000   Cameo Hills Farm   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Somestarsomewhere      IL   $ 4,000   Walker Standardbreds   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Sports Column      DE      $ 2,500   Winbak Farm of Delaware   SPORTSWRITER
State Treasurer      ME      $ 2,500   DuPuis Farm   REAL DESIRE
Stay Hungry      PA      $ 10,000   Hanover Shoe Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Stevensville      IL      $ 2,000   Univ Of Illinois Horse Clinic   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Summa Cum Laude      OH      $ 4,000   Midland Acres   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Sunshine Beach      ON      $ 4,000   Seelster Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Sweet Lou      PA      $ 15,000   Diamond Creek Farm of Pennsylvania   YANKEE CRUISER
Swift As A Shadow      PA   $ 1,500   Delaware Valley University   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Tall Dark Stranger      PA   $ 20,000   Hanover Shoe Farms   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Tellitlikeitis      IN      $ 3,000   Victory Hill Farm   WELL SAID
Time To Roll      IL      $ 3,000   Walker Standardbreds   ROCKNROLL HANOVER
Wearinmysixshoote r      MD   $ 4,000   Winbak Farm of Maryland   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Well Said      OH      $ 4,000   Sugar Valley Farm   WESTERN HANOVER
Western Fame      OH      $ 2,500   Cool Winds Farms   WESTERN IDEAL
Western Terror      OH      $ 2,500   Hagemeyer Farms   WESTERN HANOVER
White Bliss      KY      $ 1,500   Kentuckiana Farms   ART MAJOR
Wild Wild Western      PA   $ 3,500   Lindwood Farm   WESTERN IDEAL
Yankee Cruiser      OH      $ 5,000   Midland Acres   ARTISCAPE
Yankee Skyscaper      IL   $ 3,000   Walker Standardbreds   ARTISCAPE

[Brkn Headpole]

$1500 White Bliss. Yes  its only 1500 but its a lifetime but nothing but training bills. Offspring won't be competitive in any jurisdiction.

[The Thorn]

He actually has one picking up checks in minor stakes races but the point of breeding to White Bliss has nothing to do with trying to get a big money earner.  It is strictly to produce another
"horse of a different color" Ask Sarah ... she's not in it for the money.

[whiptherabbit]

Courtly Choice, not worth $6000 in Turkish money

[getreal]

Catch the fire and Bettorthancheddar to me is way too high

[JIDGE]

Lazarus will undoubtedly drop next year, possible in half. His second crop much weaker than his mediocre first.

[Generation XYZ]

Lazarus will undoubtedly drop next year, possible in half. His second crop much weaker than his mediocre first.

Anything Ernie Martinez was ever involved in was cursed.

[PineHurstPacer]

Captain Crunch

soft

[Lance]

Courtly Choice, not worth $6000 in Turkish money

He's doing ok, already almost 80% of his first crop made the races. By next year that will get up to over 90%.

[JIDGE]

Captain Crunch

soft

Many looked great at last year's sales, but where are they now -- and not one standout.

[Fuguzzi]

Captain Crunch

soft

Captain Crunch only gets soft in milk...