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Title: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: JIDGE on September 07, 2023, 09:55:26 AM
Take into consideration geographic location.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Parked on September 07, 2023, 11:19:48 AM
Depends if you are keeping or selling the yearling
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: JIDGE on September 07, 2023, 11:40:17 AM
Selling.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Generation XYZ on September 07, 2023, 11:58:31 AM
HESTON BLUE CHIP - Mainly not a big producer in PA.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: The Thorn on September 07, 2023, 08:39:29 PM
If we are going to have this discussion, here is a list of everyone.   I think 20 grand for Tall Dark Stranger is a steep ask considering not one has stepped on a track in a competitive way and he's the 2nd highest of all along with his sire Bettor's Delight,  only Captain T has a higher fee.

All Bets Off      ON      $ 5,000   Seelster Farms   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Always B Miki      PA      $ 12,500   Diamond Creek Farm of Pennsylvania   ALWAYS A VIRGIN
American Courage      NY   $ 5,000   Blue Chip Farms, LLC   AMERICAN IDEAL
American Ideal      NY      $ 10,000   Blue Chip Farms, LLC   WESTERN IDEAL
Artspeak      ON      $ 4,000   Winbak Farm of Canada   WESTERN IDEAL
Best In Show      IN      $ 3,500   Premier Acres   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Betterthancheddar      ON   $ 5,000   Winbak Farm of Canada   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Betting Line      ON      $ 5,000   Winbak Farm of Canada   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Bettor's Delight      ON   $ 20,000   Winbak Farm of Canada   CAM'S CARD SHARK
Bettor's Wish      PA      $ 10,000   Diamond Creek Farm of Pennsylvania   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Big Jim      ON              $ 4,000   Seelster Farms   WESTERN IDEAL
Bit Of A Legend N      OH   $ 2,500   Midland Acres   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Boston Red Rocks      KY   $ 4,000   Melinda Farms   ROCKNROLL HANOVER
Bulldog Hanover      ON      $ 15,000   Seelster Farms   SHADOW PLAY
Capt Midnight      IN      $ 5,000   Premier Acres   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Captain Crunch      PA      $ 7,500   Diamond Creek Farm of Pennsylvania   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Captain Trevor      IL      $ 2,500   Univ Of Illinois Horse Clinic   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Captain Victorious      MI   $ 3,000   LilliVin Farm   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Captaintreacherou s      PA   $ 30,000   Hanover Shoe Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Catch The Fire      OH      $ 6,000   Sugar Valley Farm   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Century Farroh      ON      $ 5,000   Seelster Farms   MACH THREE
Classic Card Shark      DE   $ 3,500   Winbak Farm of Delaware   CAM'S CARD SHARK
Courtly Choice      NY      $ 6,000   Winbak Farm of New York   ART MAJOR
Dancin Yankee      OH      $ 2,500   Cool Winds Farms   YANKEE CRUISER
Dapper Dude      MD      $ 1,500   Harris Paints Stallion Station   THE PANDEROSA
Doctor Butch      VA      $ 3,000   Stony Ridge Farm   ART MAJOR
Downbytheseaside      OH   $ 17,500   Sugar Valley Farm   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Dude's The Man      ME      $ 2,000   DuPuis Farm   AMERICAN IDEAL
Fear The Dragon      OH      $ 4,000   Midland Acres   DRAGON AGAIN
Freaky Feet Pete      IN   $ 3,000   Ivy Lane Farm   ROCKIN IMAGE
Gulf Shores      MN      $ 2,000   Bluff Country Equine   DOWNBYTHESEASIDE
He's Watching      DE      $ 5,000   Winbak Farm of Delaware   AMERICAN IDEAL
Heart Of Chewbacca      OH   $ 2,500   Hagemeyer Farms   BRING ON THE BEACH
Heston Blue Chip      PA   $ 6,000   Diamond Creek Farm of PA on behalf of Winbak Farm   
Highalator      DE      $ 3,500   Safe Haven Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Huntsville      NY      $ 8,500   Cameo Hills Farm   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
In The Arsenal      NY      $ 2,000   Leatherstocking Equine Center   AMERICAN IDEAL
Jk Endofanera      IN      $ 7,500   Victory Hill Farm   ART MAJOR
Lather Up      OH      $ 6,000   Sugar Valley Farm   I'M GORGEOUS
Lazarus N      NJ      $ 10,000   Deo Volente Farms   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Luck Be Withyou      MI      $ 3,000   LilliVin Farm   WESTERN IDEAL
Mcwicked      ON      $ 6,500   Winbak Farm of Canada   MCARDLE
Megatron      MI      $ 2,000   Snow Ridge Farm   MACH THREE
Miso Fast      KY      $ 2,500   Emerald Valley Farm   ROLL WITH JOE
Monte Miki      OH      $ 5,000   Midland Acres   ALWAYS B MIKI
Papi Rob Hanover      PA   $ 10,000   Hanover Shoe Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Pebble Beach      KY      $ 7,500   Diamond Creek Farm of KY   DOWNBYTHESEASIDE
Perfect Sting      NJ      $ 10,000   Deo Volente Farms   ALWAYS B MIKI
Peyote      PA              $ 1,500   Sheer Heaven Farm   CAMBEST
Rockin Image      IN      $ 4,000   Victory Hill Farm   ROCKNROLL HANOVER
Rodeo Romeo      OH      $ 1,500   Hagemeyer Farms   ROCKNROLL HANOVER
Roll With Joe      NY      $ 4,000   Blue Chip Farms, LLC   CAM'S CARD SHARK
Shadow Play      NY      $ 6,000   Blue Chip Farms, LLC   THE PANDEROSA
So Surreal      NY      $ 3,000   Cameo Hills Farm   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Somestarsomewhere      IL   $ 4,000   Walker Standardbreds   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Sports Column      DE      $ 2,500   Winbak Farm of Delaware   SPORTSWRITER
State Treasurer      ME      $ 2,500   DuPuis Farm   REAL DESIRE
Stay Hungry      PA      $ 10,000   Hanover Shoe Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Stevensville      IL      $ 2,000   Univ Of Illinois Horse Clinic   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Summa Cum Laude      OH      $ 4,000   Midland Acres   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Sunshine Beach      ON      $ 4,000   Seelster Farms   SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E
Sweet Lou      PA      $ 15,000   Diamond Creek Farm of Pennsylvania   YANKEE CRUISER
Swift As A Shadow      PA   $ 1,500   Delaware Valley University   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Tall Dark Stranger      PA   $ 20,000   Hanover Shoe Farms   BETTOR'S DELIGHT
Tellitlikeitis      IN      $ 3,000   Victory Hill Farm   WELL SAID
Time To Roll      IL      $ 3,000   Walker Standardbreds   ROCKNROLL HANOVER
Wearinmysixshoote r      MD   $ 4,000   Winbak Farm of Maryland   CAPTAINTREACHEROU S
Well Said      OH      $ 4,000   Sugar Valley Farm   WESTERN HANOVER
Western Fame      OH      $ 2,500   Cool Winds Farms   WESTERN IDEAL
Western Terror      OH      $ 2,500   Hagemeyer Farms   WESTERN HANOVER
White Bliss      KY      $ 1,500   Kentuckiana Farms   ART MAJOR
Wild Wild Western      PA   $ 3,500   Lindwood Farm   WESTERN IDEAL
Yankee Cruiser      OH      $ 5,000   Midland Acres   ARTISCAPE
Yankee Skyscaper      IL   $ 3,000   Walker Standardbreds   ARTISCAPE
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Brkn Headpole on September 07, 2023, 08:51:47 PM
$1500 White Bliss. Yes  its only 1500 but its a lifetime but nothing but training bills. Offspring won't be competitive in any jurisdiction.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: The Thorn on September 07, 2023, 09:07:55 PM
He actually has one picking up checks in minor stakes races but the point of breeding to White Bliss has nothing to do with trying to get a big money earner.  It is strictly to produce another
"horse of a different color" Ask Sarah ... she's not in it for the money.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: whiptherabbit on September 07, 2023, 09:38:08 PM
Courtly Choice, not worth $6000 in Turkish money
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: getreal on September 07, 2023, 09:51:00 PM
Catch the fire and Bettorthancheddar to me is way too high
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: JIDGE on September 07, 2023, 09:58:36 PM
Lazarus will undoubtedly drop next year, possible in half. His second crop much weaker than his mediocre first.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Generation XYZ on September 07, 2023, 11:59:28 PM
Lazarus will undoubtedly drop next year, possible in half. His second crop much weaker than his mediocre first.

Anything Ernie Martinez was ever involved in was cursed.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: PineHurstPacer on September 08, 2023, 09:22:54 AM
Captain Crunch

soft
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Lance on September 08, 2023, 09:58:07 AM
Courtly Choice, not worth $6000 in Turkish money
He's doing ok, already almost 80% of his first crop made the races. By next year that will get up to over 90%.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: JIDGE on September 08, 2023, 10:07:13 AM
Captain Crunch

soft

Many looked great at last year's sales, but where are they now -- and not one standout.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 08, 2023, 12:06:06 PM
Captain Crunch

soft
Captain Crunch only gets soft in milk...
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Brown jug on September 08, 2023, 12:29:39 PM
good subject and good list thorn
a couple of omissions
think cattlewash at $7,500 cdn could be very good
hate to say it but i think american ideal is high at $10k , has not produced much lately
realistically there is at least 10 on the list that should not be breeding but i guess for some lower jurisdictions is ok
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Parked on September 08, 2023, 01:00:25 PM
If i were selling I would have bred  to TDS.  His first crop will be crazy and he’ll have a few good ones with the quality mares he covered.  But to keep and race. Too high for a horse Yannick had to pound on in most every race to the extent he was fined for excessive use of the whip.  Pappi Rob is a much better choice financially and I believe race horse wise.  To bad he broke a bone early on. 
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: JIDGE on September 08, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
good subject and good list thorn
a couple of omissions
think cattlewash at $7,500 cdn could be very good
hate to say it but i think american ideal is high at $10k , has not produced much lately
realistically there is at least 10 on the list that should not be breeding but i guess for some lower jurisdictions is ok

Good call on American Ideal -- $5 -7.5 seems more his range now, but he appears to be establishing himself as a successful broodmare sire.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: The Thorn on September 08, 2023, 01:27:38 PM
Captain Crunch

soft
Many looked great at last year's sales, but where are they now -- and not one standout.
He actually had 2 in the 252,000 final.  Gem Quality out of the nice racemare Twinkle and Captain Fear Not who got scratched but had a few nice wins. 
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: JIDGE on September 08, 2023, 01:52:21 PM
He actually had 2 in the 252,000 final.  Gem Quality out of the nice racemare Twinkle and Captain Fear Not who got scratched but had a few nice wins.

Very true, I believe Gem Quality was undefeated going in, but he failed to hit the board.
And Twinkle was an excellent race mare and she brought along her outstanding maternal family.
Right now GQ is probably a notch or two below the best 2yr olds., but he's definitely the cream of
the CC crop so far.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Lance on September 08, 2023, 03:49:05 PM
I agree, that one of Gassie Coleman’s seems like the one to beat right now. Has been pretty impressive.
Title: Re: What PACER do you feel has the most overpriced stud fee?
Post by: Generation XYZ on September 09, 2023, 05:41:42 PM
As long as he can keep going hard. Right Lance? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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