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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: theokodjak26 on March 29, 2024, 11:55:36 PM
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A fixture at Monticello for decades, who I cannot recall ever being suspended for chemicals, received a 60-day vacation and a $1,000 fine. One has to wonder how after all these years why Parker suddenly has decided to cheat? Is it because Monticello doesn’t aggressively test and Parker has been able to dodge the judges for a long time? Could it be someone had it in for Parker and put the drugs into his horse? This situation is hard to understand. Any thoughts?
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A fixture at Monticello for decades, who I cannot recall ever being suspended for chemicals, received a 60-day vacation and a $1,000 fine. One has to wonder how after all these years why Parker suddenly has decided to cheat? Is it because Monticello doesn’t aggressively test and Parker has been able to dodge the judges for a long time? Could it be someone had it in for Parker and put the drugs into his horse? This situation is hard to understand. Any thoughts?
One would think with the purses up there its not frugal to use expensive chemicals not to mention how dangerous it may be to drug up a half broken down horse racing there.
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Snowman cocaine
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The entire barn had been dead for 2-3 months. A little “Pick me up” was necessary. This isn’t Zeke’s first suspension.
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A high TCO2 level? And a first offense for this. Right, he should be banned for life, thrown off every track in North America and should never be allowed to even look at a horse ever again. Come on. BS I have no idea if he appealed this, but if he didn't -- OK, he takes the hit, $1000 and 60 days -- plus the horse gets re-tested, has to pass, and is subject to a 6-hour detention barn every time he races for 6 months.
That said, at the end of the day, if he accepts it, he's guilty, I get it. He takes the hit. So should everyone caught. However, let's remember, TCO2 is naturally in horses as part of their normal chemical, physical, and metabolic make-up. It's a variable, and it varies based upon a lot of things, factors, etc. Sodium and potassium are a category factor, and TCO2, related proteins, chloride, lactate, and I forget what else is another category factor. There are plenty of reasons why a horse can get a high TCO2 OTHER THAN MILKSHAKING.
If only this were the biggest problem in our sport and business. I don't trivialize any infraction unless it's truly deminimus. However, I like Billy. I always have. Like many, I didn't like the way he lived his life years ago. But, since he got clean and sober, I like him, and more importantly, I respect him. Let's not attack a lifetime based upon a day.
Here's a good article on TCO2:
https://paulickreport.com/nl-art-1/whats-deal-tco2-anyway
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Accepting a penalty doesn't always mean "guilty". It can cost 10's of thousands of dollars to fight a minor positive such as lasix.
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He never was an honest driver
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Accepting a penalty doesn't always mean "guilty". It can cost 10's of thousands of dollars to fight a minor positive such as lasix.
Very true. I was simply saying, if he's guilty, he takes the hit. If he's not, whether the appeal is feasible is up to him. There are plenty of reasons a horse can get a high TCO2, but I don't know how easy it is procedurally to prove.
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He never was an honest driver
Another "generic" wide-casting aspersion. Neither was Herve. Who was or is 100%? The guy had 59,000 starts and over 11,000 wins. I guess by using the never -- none of those wins were honest huh? Well, that's almost a lifetime 20% win rate!!! Do you have any idea what that is? 20% for a lifetime, with 59,000 starts?!?!?
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The TCO2 bandits take it close to the limit every race. They seldom get caught because they have the science down. heavy fines are in order and long suspensions.
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He never was an honest driver
He was always the top dog up there.
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The TCO2 bandits take it close to the limit every race. They seldom get caught because they have the science down. heavy fines are in order and long suspensions.
Odds of getting a TCO2 (or anything else) positive in NYS are almost remote. He just fired at the wrong time..
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billy drove and trained horses for me i cant believe how many years ago its been.he was always a honest guy.told me straight about my horses.one of the better guys i dealt with in the business
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One would think with the purses up there its not frugal to use expensive chemicals not to mention how dangerous it may be to drug up a half broken down horse racing there.
Last I looked you could still buy a box of baking soda for less than $2
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A high TCO2 level? And a first offense for this. Right, he should be banned for life, thrown off every track in North America and should never be allowed to even look at a horse ever again. Come on. BS I have no idea if he appealed this, but if he didn't -- OK, he takes the hit, $1000 and 60 days -- plus the horse gets re-tested, has to pass, and is subject to a 6-hour detention barn every time he races for 6 months.
That said, at the end of the day, if he accepts it, he's guilty, I get it. He takes the hit. So should everyone caught. However, let's remember, TCO2 is naturally in horses as part of their normal chemical, physical, and metabolic make-up. It's a variable, and it varies based upon a lot of things, factors, etc. Sodium and potassium are a category factor, and TCO2, related proteins, chloride, lactate, and I forget what else is another category factor. There are plenty of reasons why a horse can get a high TCO2 OTHER THAN MILKSHAKING.
If only this were the biggest problem in our sport and business. I don't trivialize any infraction unless it's truly deminimus. However, I like Billy. I always have. Like many, I didn't like the way he lived his life years ago. But, since he got clean and sober, I like him, and more importantly, I respect him. Let's not attack a lifetime based upon a day.
Here's a good article on TCO2:
https://paulickreport.com/nl-art-1/whats-deal-tco2-anyway
I haven’t had time to read the article but I can tell you a TCO2 positive has never been beat. Some trainers went as far as trying to say some horses are naturally high. So a few racing commissions allowed them to put the horses in 3 day detention and they checked the levels through out. None stayed high the whole time. Robinson was caught having his groom us a hollowed out sponge full of baking soda and letting the horse drink out of the “bath bucket “. Chris Height tried to pump so much soda into one it would stay high for the 3 days. He didn’t realize they were going to start testing when the horse got there. His level was so high it could have killed the horse. He got a long suspension for it.
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Last I looked you could still buy a box of baking soda for less than $2
The original post said CHEMICALS not baking soda. My post was the one directly after that post. It wasn't revealed until later in the thread that it was baking soda.