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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: makingit on December 11, 2020, 04:27:03 PM
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I know it is O K to do and it is done a lot, but when a trainer has two entries in the same race, and one of the entries is entirely owned by the trainer, isn't that a little too far? I mean he has the inside scoop on both horses he trains, and he is the sole owner of one. No conflict of interest? Doesn't the trainer give some instructions before the race to the drivers of his horses in the race? Strange to me. Happened at Freehold today.
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1 800 cry baby
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Didn't effect me at all. Just wondering about the integrity/ethics part. It isn't against the rules and regulations, but maybe should be, no?
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Man Luc... you can be a real asshole, eh ??
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Man Luc... you can be a real asshole, eh ??
yes
im sorry i speak truth its hurts
im a man of the cloth tmbz1
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We did it all the time, put a speed horse in to wreck the front and close like a train with the other one.
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We did it all the time, put a speed horse in to wreck the front and close like a train with the other one.
we ..u got a mouse in your pocket
u owned 1 horse your life,,stop it
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Didn't effect me at all. Just wondering about the integrity/ethics part. It isn't against the rules and regulations, but maybe should be, no?
You are on horseplop.. A horse racing site .... “ integrity And ethics “. ????
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Do trainers ever try to suggest to their driver to go to the front, or come from behind? If they do, wouldn't that be a little conflict in this case? Better drivers probably wouldn't listen anyhow, right? But my question is do trainers give pre race advise?
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Do trainers ever try to suggest to their driver to go to the front, or come from behind? If they do, wouldn't that be a little conflict in this case? Better drivers probably wouldn't listen anyhow, right? But my question is do trainers give pre race advise?
Bet accordingly if you see this in the program...pass or figure out who has the best shot. Should have been coupled for wagering I agree, but what kinda pools would you be betting into? pass...
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Brandon owned the winner and his other horse finished 3rd he also win one later in the day...Dont understand the hate against the kid from what i see the kid is pretty sharp
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I know it is O K to do and it is done a lot, but when a trainer has two entries in the same race, and one of the entries is entirely owned by the trainer, isn't that a little too far? I mean he has the inside scoop on both horses he trains, and he is the sole owner of one. No conflict of interest? Doesn't the trainer give some instructions before the race to the drivers of his horses in the race? Strange to me. Happened at Freehold today.
Seems like a reasonable question, keep asking if you don't know, and ignore the jerk answers.
Each state/jurisdiction has their own rules on coupling, also overnights vs stakes.
It seems like it used to be the norm, but rules have been relaxed in past years, partially because coupled entries drive down handle.
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Thank you "SAW". Good information. I don't ask questions to egg on people or start fights. I don't know this trainer in Freehold today and he may very well be a perfect gentleman. It wasn't directed at him, his was just the most recent case that I have seen, and I have seen it before on other occasions. I didn't know the rules were different from state to state. I know we have some fun on here from time to time, but this was a legit question that I did not know the answer. Still wondering about my question if the trainer gives any suggestions to the drivers of his horses before the race. The answer to this question would possibly bring up the question of conflict in races like this where the trainer trans two entries and owns one of them. Thanks again.
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In my opinion, if they had a choice most trainers would prefer not to have 2 of their horses in the same race.
Usually happens a couple times a night a The Meadowlands.
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Thank you "SAW". Good information. I don't ask questions to egg on people or start fights. I don't know this trainer in Freehold today and he may very well be a perfect gentleman. It wasn't directed at him, his was just the most recent case that I have seen, and I have seen it before on other occasions. I didn't know the rules were different from state to state. I know we have some fun on here from time to time, but this was a legit question that I did not know the answer. Still wondering about my question if the trainer gives any suggestions to the drivers of his horses before the race. The answer to this question would possibly bring up the question of conflict in races like this where the trainer trans two entries and owns one of them. Thanks again.
Most of the drivers like to know how a horse is "feeling" lately, or how they have trained up to the event. Others prefer to look at the program and judge ho to proceed by past form, and some trainers are fine with that. Usually, as the price goes up, so do the discussions.
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happens all the time here at the pomp. its not ideal but when you handicap just put it out of your mind. id say most of the time the better of the two finishes better. nothing bad going on. it fills races more. helps trainers out that have many in the same condition. its nice to have full 10 horse fields.
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Most of the drivers like to know how a horse is "feeling" lately, or how they have trained up to the event. Others prefer to look at the program and judge ho to proceed by past form, and some trainers are fine with that. Usually, as the price goes up, so do the discussions.
The envelope speaks volumes.
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The envelope speaks volumes.
Pretty much, unless stuck behind rats you cant even boat home. Take your 25 bux for the drive and go home.
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1 800 cry baby
i called that number 1-800-279-2229 and its not in use
quit making up lies...
i suppose you had $20 across on scotty d at balmoral in 2002
from the 10 hole at 500-1 too....
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Most trainers won't tell a driver stuff like drop in the 5 hole, pull at the half behind cover, go 3 wide at the 3/4, etc because 99% of them know nothing ever goes as planned out there. They usually give info that fatboy mentioned, whether or not the horse is on a line, hates air, loves going first up, let the outer flow come to him, don't let anything look him in the eye, don't touch anything but the shaft with the whip, don't fall off, shit like that
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Most trainers won't tell a driver stuff like drop in the 5 hole, pull at the half behind cover, go 3 wide at the 3/4, etc because 99% of them know nothing ever goes as planned out there. They usually give info that fatboy mentioned, whether or not the horse is on a line, hates air, loves going first up, let the outer flow come to him, don't let anything look him in the eye, don't touch anything but the shaft with the whip, don't fall off, shit like that
Yes and "This one kicks back by the way....."
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its just not a good look.
Hapened at M1 yesterday and the McCarthy brothers were driving them...
Just not a good optic..
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1 800 cry baby
i called that number 1-800-279-2229 and its not in use
quit making up lies...
i suppose you had $20 across on scotty d at balmoral in 2002
from the 10 hole at 500-1 too....
no scottie is good people and a friend
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Most of the drivers like to know how a horse is "feeling" lately, or how they have trained up to the event. Others prefer to look at the program and judge ho to proceed by past form, and some trainers are fine with that. Usually, as the price goes up, so do the discussions.
Funny story about telling drivers what to do.. I barely had my trainers license for a year or two when I was a kid and one Sunday afternoon it was a day that some of the Meadowlands Drivers were up at Monticello.. Anyhow my regular driver couldn’t drive that day so I put John Campbell on the horse .. When I handed JC the lines for the post parade , I introduced myself , told him he was a real easy horse to drive, races best covered up and he has absolutely no early speed so don’t bother leaving.. Of course he shoots out for the lead to prove me wrong ( after all he really was an amazing driver) and the horse breaks going into the turn and needless to say finishes way back .. JC gets off the horse and I go thanks for listening to me , hands me the lines and walks away without uttering a word.. 😆
On top of that my mom was mad at me for not getting JCs autograph..She could care less that I made no money that day..
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Yes and "This one kicks back by the way....."
ngc3 ngc3 We usually tie her tail up but i thought we'd give it a go without that tonight.
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ngc3 ngc3 We usually tie her tail up but i thought we'd give it a go without that tonight.
Indeed ngc3 ngc3 Great list of standby instructions if just to make it look good. Dumbest thing I ever did was tell Ray Remmen how to get my colt around the track in a 100k consolation....It was pretty obvious during elims my colt was just there for a check. He wasn't happy and I didn't get a check. 73cv.2
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Good info "Fatboy". Thanks !
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Thanks FirstUpFrom8Hole ! Good input.
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You think Jim King tells Tetrick how to drive is horse's?
ngc3
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Back in the day at Pocono - Pena had all eight...
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What day was that?????