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Title: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: toothman on August 22, 2019, 09:35:12 PM
almost done with racing. Watching  drivers back down second quarters, esp at Yonkers racing is nauseating.
So----I know that there are a lotta reasons why this wouldn't work, but how about a rule that the second quarter can be no more than one second slower than the first?
I the best interest of mainting the pace of the race?
Thoughts?
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on August 22, 2019, 09:40:05 PM
not the driver on the leads fault,it's all the other drivers letting him back it down
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Papillon on August 22, 2019, 09:42:07 PM
almost done with racing. Watching  drivers back down second quarters, esp at Yonkers racing is nauseating.
So----I know that there are a lotta reasons why this wouldn't work, but how about a rule that the second quarter can be no more than one second slower than the first?
I the best interest of mainting the pace of the race?
Thoughts?

sounds like you are frustrated because your closers are having difficulties gaining ground in the lane

staring at fractions won’t help
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: LIT DE JUSTICE on August 22, 2019, 09:45:48 PM
IN THOSE SHITTY 8 HORSE OR LESS FIELDS THEY SHOULD MAKE IT A RULE THEY MUST BE 4IN, 4 OUT BY THE TIME THEY CROSS THE WIRE AT THE 1/2. NO ONE PULLS THERE UNTIL WAY TOO LATE AND THE 6TH, 7TH, 8TH HORSES HAVE NO SHOT.

YONKERS ALWAYS WAS A DUMP AND STILL IS IMO.
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: toothman on August 22, 2019, 09:59:13 PM
So how do we fix this? Or do you think that it doesnt need fixing?
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Village Idiot on August 22, 2019, 10:10:30 PM
Have more aggressive drivers. If the pace is slow pull the horse and go around. It's that simple. I know a lot people bash Merriman and Wrenn at Northfield (I realize they usually get first choice on the best horses) but they are either on the lead or they pull and maybe get parked for a half mile or more but they give their horses a chance to win. If the horse has enough it wins if not it wasn't going to win anyway.
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: harnessplop on August 22, 2019, 10:14:48 PM
Dead game
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Winners Win on August 22, 2019, 10:41:08 PM
almost done with racing. Watching  drivers back down second quarters, esp at Yonkers racing is nauseating.
So----I know that there are a lotta reasons why this wouldn't work, but how about a rule that the second quarter can be no more than one second slower than the first?
I the best interest of mainting the pace of the race?
Thoughts?

Agreed, more than 2 seconds slower than the first qtr should be a fine. 
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: bigwrench on August 23, 2019, 02:47:55 AM
2 words

Bu Bye ! :'(

 ngc3
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: bigwrench on August 23, 2019, 02:50:10 AM
Besidez if you watch Yawnkers
You need your head examined anyways
DUUUUHH!
 73cv.2
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Superfecta on August 23, 2019, 10:17:35 AM
Besidez if you watch Yawnkers
You need your head examined anyways
DUUUUHH!
 73cv.2

We finally agree on something.  tmbz1
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Stan durbread on August 23, 2019, 07:42:00 PM
Change drivers percentages to 2% at high purse tracks   They won’t just wait for right spot then! Drivers these days have no competitive spirit they just count there
Money
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: zoot on August 23, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
get rid of 1/2 mile tracks
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: spaheaven on August 23, 2019, 07:50:03 PM
They should strap thoroughbreds to the sulky, would be much more exciting.
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Kole Hanover on August 23, 2019, 10:10:48 PM
Besidez if you watch Yawnkers
You need your head examined anyways
DUUUUHH!
 73cv.2



 my 5% from Yonkers ends up being much more than the 2-3 other tracks we race at, every month...


 if you got no skin in the game, grab yer shovel
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: PIGLAND on August 23, 2019, 10:14:31 PM


 my 5% from Yonkers ends up being much more than the 2-3 other tracks we race at, every month...


 if you got no skin in the game, grab yer shovel
you better get a job,sad you are
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: bigwrench on August 25, 2019, 01:24:30 AM


 my 5% from Yonkers ends up being much more than the 2-3 other tracks we race at, every month...


 if you got no skin in the game, grab yer shovel
yeah right  :-X
With everything costing 3-5 times more there
You are ahead by how much genious?
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: bond on August 25, 2019, 07:10:20 AM
I realize they are trying to win-but since this is a GAMBLING form of entertainment-the Gamblers need to be looked after .
When a horse is not on the front end at Yonkers and the driver of the leader slows down the second 1/4 to two seconds or more from the first quarter-the horses behind chances of winning are greatly reduced-gamblers get frustrated seeing this time and again=handle going down-loss of fan base.
I suggest that drivers who drop 2 seconds or more in the second 1/4 from the first-get 0% drivers fee and his 5% gets paid to the horses that didnt get a check.
This will add incentive for drivers to go just a little faster that second 1/4-make other drivers happy-and the gamblers also as its now a race where 7 horses chances of winning are improved. If the winner is good enough-it can still win-everyone happy.
No driver should be rewarded for turning a race into a pet walking affair.
Lets have some real racing.!!!!

Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Harness Driver on August 25, 2019, 07:24:38 AM
 That's my money you are talking about, BOZO. My job is to finish  where I intend to.  Notice I didn't say, WIN the race, I drive race horses for my benefit, not you degenerate gamblers.  I put my life on the line so I can make a few bucks  and transfer what was in your pocket into mine.  Beautiful life isn't it.
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Brown jug on August 25, 2019, 07:42:16 AM
or you could just bet the horses that are going to the front
called handicapping
you cannot beat them so either stop or get on  board
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: toothman on August 25, 2019, 08:50:36 AM
to me its not about cashing tickets.
its about having a product out there that generates enough excitement to create , i don't know, maybe one new fan?
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Superfecta on August 25, 2019, 09:10:15 AM
This issue isn't only at Yonkers, it's at every track except Northfield. Big tracks like Meadowlands and Mohawk aren't any different. Guys don't pull until the 5/8th's or if they pull earlier they don't advance while waiting for cover and that guy does the same while also waiting. It's a boring sport and as we die off so goes the fan base. It's only here because the law says it has to be for the slot licence. Once that changes then you can turn off the lights.
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Papillon on August 25, 2019, 09:56:10 AM
I realize they are trying to win-but since this is a GAMBLING form of entertainment-the Gamblers need to be looked after .
When a horse is not on the front end at Yonkers and the driver of the leader slows down the second 1/4 to two seconds or more from the first quarter-the horses behind chances of winning are greatly reduced-gamblers get frustrated seeing this time and again=handle going down-loss of fan base.
I suggest that drivers who drop 2 seconds or more in the second 1/4 from the first-get 0% drivers fee and his 5% gets paid to the horses that didnt get a check.
This will add incentive for drivers to go just a little faster that second 1/4-make other drivers happy-and the gamblers also as its now a race where 7 horses chances of winning are improved. If the winner is good enough-it can still win-everyone happy.
No driver should be rewarded for turning a race into a pet walking affair.
Lets have some real racing.!!!!

there’s where you don’t get it

the fans mean nothing

handle is meaningless purses funded by gaming

fans get shit on with past posting on the bets  and super drug trainers with multiple beards

why would you ever think fans matter?

times have changed ... what’s good for the public doesn’t happen

Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: slimshady on August 25, 2019, 11:14:30 AM
Papillon    ....  "why would you ever think fans matter?"

I'm a small owner and don't feel like I matter.
Race clean and get beat by a lesser horse.

So if the fan doesn't matter and the gambler doesn't matter and the small owner doesn't matter, who matters in this game ???
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: wiggles44 on August 25, 2019, 11:21:25 AM
This issue isn't only at Yonkers, it's at every track except Northfield. Big tracks like Meadowlands and Mohawk aren't any different. Guys don't pull until the 5/8th's or if they pull earlier they don't advance while waiting for cover and that guy does the same while also waiting. It's a boring sport and as we die off so goes the fan base. It's only here because the law says it has to be for the slot licence. Once that changes then you can turn off the lights.

 62za.clp
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Papillon on August 25, 2019, 11:27:06 AM
Papillon    ....  "why would you ever think fans matter?"

I'm a small owner and don't feel like I matter.
Race clean and get beat by a lesser horse.

So if the fan doesn't matter and the gambler doesn't matter and the small owner doesn't matter, who matters in this game ???

the fraction of  gaming revenue that is legislatively obligated to fund purses
is about the only thing that matters

integrity, level playing field and justice all left decades ago
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: NJ HORSEMAN on August 25, 2019, 11:51:49 AM
the fraction of  gaming revenue that is legislatively obligated to fund purses
is about the only thing that matters

integrity, level playing field and justice all left decades ago

THE PEOPLE WHO RACED HORSES 30, 40, 50 YEARS AGO  CHEATED EVERY BIT AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE THAN HORSEMEN OF TODAY
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Fatboy on August 25, 2019, 12:00:25 PM
THE PEOPLE WHO RACED HORSES 30, 40, 50 YEARS AGO  CHEATED EVERY BIT AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE THAN HORSEMEN OF TODAY

THIS IS A FACT
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Papillon on August 25, 2019, 12:18:33 PM
when are you idiots gonna get it!! the gamblers are ALL that matters?

No bettors = No Racing - END OF STORY!!

you’re an idiot

handle means nothing

Tioga handles $60k.... they’re not going anywhere
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Fatboy on August 25, 2019, 12:35:19 PM
you’re an idiot

handle means nothing

Tioga handles $60k.... they’re not going anywhere

 ngc3
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Bruce Jenner on August 26, 2019, 09:50:16 AM
almost done with racing. Watching  drivers back down second quarters, esp at Yonkers racing is nauseating.
So----I know that there are a lotta reasons why this wouldn't work, but how about a rule that the second quarter can be no more than one second slower than the first?
I the best interest of mainting the pace of the race?
Thoughts?

               How people bet this stuff is amazing its boooooooooooooooo oring racing. I would rather go to the fair and watch pigs snorting.
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Papillon on August 26, 2019, 11:51:44 AM


Where the fuck you think Casinos get money from? their mommys like you?? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3



not from horse racing handle you fucking dope

as been said here a million times... this nice decoupling happens harness racing will slowly disappear

it’s already spitting up blood ...handle is not going to suddenly return

handle means nothing you are still an idiot

now please stop wasting our time
Title: Re: I Can't Take it Anymore
Post by: Papillon on August 26, 2019, 12:59:51 PM
You both are right...TODAY handle is pretty much meaningless (besides showing the general apathy for harness racing).

In the near future after decoupling finally takes place, handle will matter (as it should).

Uh, not quite

he is wrong thinking fans and what they bet mean anything when the industry is funded by gaming

don’t de a dope like him and say he is right
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