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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: horses first on August 26, 2020, 11:36:11 PM
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Gov says no to the 20mln in his revised budget plan. Let the process start between now and Sep 30. Won't be long before the PA gov does the same looking to fill covid budget holes.
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I would hope there would be consideration for the covid interruption. But, in order to receive funding for 2021, racing needs to show all the good things that the funding was supposed to make happen actually did happen. Can the NJ Hormens groups as well as the tracks show this data?
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take the money. fuk gurrell. total hypocrite PIECE OF SHIT
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If it wasnt for jew rscing would be done in nj n upstate ny
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The final budget will be negotiated between the governor and the legislature.
Just because Murphy removed the money doesn’t mean it won’t be in the final budget.
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and meds, Horseman think the state is like a piggy bank. States are getting smarter, why give these slobs more money they bring nothing to the party. Don´t start about all the money we bring in, most horsemen do not pay their bills on time any way, ask any feed man, harness shop, blacksmith etc. Gural got his sports betting in NJ he is happy, got his casinos in NY and was happy, till they do not do as well as he wants. He did save these race tracks, but he will make out ok either way. He will still have his casinos and sports betting and maybe having to shell out even less to the horseman. He wins either way. He is a businessman. The problem with most horse people is they are NOT business people. They get farther in the hole and can never get out, just keep raking up more bills and bitch about tracks not taking care of them. Please don´t blame Gural for being a businessman
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Dingus please take the rose colored glasses off. The days of states giving us welfare is either over or very close to over. If anyone thinks gov´s are not looking at their entire budgets and looking where they can cut, you are kidding yourselves. You have food lines, unemployment not seen since the depression. Starting the first of Sept people will start getting eviction notices. Do you really think harness racing will or should sill be a priority. We are by no means the only industry in deep shit, pick up a paper look at a news cast (other than fox) and see the reality.
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I seriously don't understand why some of you assholes are even on here. It obvious you don't give 2 fucks about harness racing. Every post you make is negative against the sport. Take your negative comments & crawl back in your hole. Worthless fucks are what you are. You are part of the problem in harness racing. If you dislike harness racing so why even pay attention to what's going? WTF
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I seriously don't understand why some of you assholes are even on here. It obvious you don't give 2 fucks about harness racing. Every post you make is negative against the sport. Take your negative comments & crawl back in your hole. Worthless fucks are what you are. You are part of the problem in harness racing. If you dislike harness racing so why even pay attention to what's going? WTF
My exact thoughts. That would hurt Harness racing for sure WTF...
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I seriously don't understand why some of you assholes are even on here. It obvious you don't give 2 fucks about harness racing. Every post you make is negative against the sport. Take your negative comments & crawl back in your hole. Worthless fucks are what you are. You are part of the problem in harness racing. If you dislike harness racing so why even pay attention to what's going? WTF
You're right.
Let's celebrate!
Opening day at Freehold tomorrow!
$1.6 Million in welfare for Freehold overnights!
Plus other $500k or whatever for owners and breeders.
Get in line.
Your welfare office is open now.
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the subsidy was on a "prove it" deal. The idea was to give them competitive purse structures, increase field size and horse talent, subsequently increase handle/revenue.
Despite what they spent the year telling you, they failed. Subsidy is gone.
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Still can't get the info correct 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
(http://ustrottingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/49932-Jeff-Gural.jpg)
Meadowlands’ owner Jeff Gural is urging horseracing stakeholders to contact NJ legislators to save proposed budget cuts eliminating funding for purses.
The whiny jewlie DOES NOT (I REPEAT) DOES NOT own Pinky Downs. He leases it 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
Trump and Goooooofffrrrraaa llll for NumNuts of the Year 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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I am part of the problem because I call out the stupid shit we have done for years. I have been licensed by the USTA, CTA, NY, Pa, Ohio, Ind, Mass, NJ, Del, Ky, Md, Va, Cal and Ontario at some point since 1965. I have made a very nice living, still love the SPORT, NOT the business. The problem seems to be no body says anything. If you do you are a rat and everybody hates you. Nothing is going to change till WE change it. Get real, most Horsemans assns are useless, the directors look after themselves and friends, always at least a couple of factions in the assn´s. How much do they really get done, look at your associations how much do they really do for YOU. If all you want is polly anna shit and no truth go to the USTA web site and believe all the happy talk. We have never policed ourselves, how many lifetime bans have you seen, and almost always they come back. Financial responsibility in our business is a joke for a large number of participants, owners and trainers . Have you tried to go to most commissions about a bad bill owed to you? Ya don´t get much from them do ya. The plop would be really great if everybody told happy stories and we all sang Kumbaya. Hate me cause I tell the truth and as Jack said ¨You can´t handle the truth¨
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There is enough blame for everyone. The truth is, there is not enough public interest in harness racing ina competitive environment to support it as an entity.
Please don't tell me about all the gypsies and thieves. Racing has always had these characters.
In the 1970's, racing had numerous scandals, investigations and arrests. And not low level participants. Some of the biggest names like, Herve. There were owners and race fixers that went to prison. There were riots at the racetrack. There were bookmakers and shylarks everywhere.
Though all that, the industry survived and thrived. Why? Because it was the only legal gambling game in town. Now that people have choices with their gambling dollar, racing has shrunk every day. Very few people care about harness racing. If Roosevelt Raceway was dog track, there would have been 50,000 in attendance for the International Bow Wow. Gambling and night racing is what put harness racing on the map.
Please don't tell me, ..." if they would advertise and market..." All throughout the 1990's, when racing was loosing patrons everyday to other forms of gambling, All the major tracks ran TV commercials, newspaper ads, radio, bus and subway advertising radio... It di very little to attract new patrons. Today, you would probably spend 100x or more on customer acquisition then, it would return .
So yea, horsemen contributed to the down fall , States withdrew funding when the parimutuel became almost nothing, resulting in unpoliced and corrupt judges. But there was the same level of incompetence thievery 50 years ago. The greatest difference is, we had no choice. Today we have choices and people are not choosing racing.
For more proof, look at Scioto Downs. When they were the only harness track operating and competing with C level t-bred tracks they handled 4-5x their average handle.
But, once the people had choices, they chose other tracks. And, for the sake of purse accounts, I hope casinos come back strong but, what will that do to erode the harness fan base? Blaming one group will do nothing more than erode the entire group. An entirely new mission statement and business plan is needed.
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There is enough blame for everyone. The truth is, there is not enough public interest in harness racing ina competitive environment to support it as an entity.
Please don't tell me about all the gypsies and thieves. Racing has always had these characters.
In the 1970's, racing had numerous scandals, investigations and arrests. And not low level participants. Some of the biggest names like, Herve. There were owners and race fixers that went to prison. There were riots at the racetrack. There were bookmakers and shylarks everywhere.
Though all that, the industry survived and thrived. Why? Because it was the only legal gambling game in town. Now that people have choices with their gambling dollar, racing has shrunk every day. Very few people care about harness racing. If Roosevelt Raceway was dog track, there would have been 50,000 in attendance for the International Bow Wow. Gambling and night racing is what put harness racing on the map.
Please don't tell me, ..." if they would advertise and market..." All throughout the 1990's, when racing was loosing patrons everyday to other forms of gambling, All the major tracks ran TV commercials, newspaper ads, radio, bus and subway advertising radio... It di very little to attract new patrons. Today, you would probably spend 100x or more on customer acquisition then, it would return .
So yea, horsemen contributed to the down fall , States withdrew funding when the parimutuel became almost nothing, resulting in unpoliced and corrupt judges. But there was the same level of incompetence thievery 50 years ago. The greatest difference is, we had no choice. Today we have choices and people are not choosing racing.
For more proof, look at Scioto Downs. When they were the only harness track operating and competing with C level t-bred tracks they handled 4-5x their average handle.
But, once the people had choices, they chose other tracks. And, for the sake of purse accounts, I hope casinos come back strong but, what will that do to erode the harness fan base? Blaming one group will do nothing more than erode the entire group. An entirely new mission statement and business plan is needed.
Well said and spot on!!
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Thank you Emperor Dapple. I always enjoy your posts. tmbz1
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Bingo Exporter.
It is a competitive environment. The meadowlands has made a decision to exclude rebates from their most important customer base, NJ residents.
Betting through 4njbets is simply not competitive and not attractive. No rebates = high, uncompetitive takeout
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Plain and Simple, the JewLie wants welfare to support his BAD BUSINESS dealings. If you Goooofffrrrraaall lll ass kissers really think he is a business man, then let him make the business decision and get out. His 2019 NJ welfare was based on performance and growth in the industry. If the handle and sports betting is up, then let the JewLie support the industry. Otherwise get this sorry ass OUT of the GAME, he has done nothing but bitch, whine and cry for welfare since Vernon, Tioga and Pinky Downs 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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More crying and finger pointing.
btw, if take out was 10% like it was back when horse and harness racing was Ameirca's #1 spectator sport, harness racing would be thriving.
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10% ? When? were? So , what did a split look like? 4%-4% and 2%? Please tell me.
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10% ? When? were? So , what did a split look like? 4%-4% and 2%? Please tell me.
Throughout thoroughbred racing in the 1930's.
I'll dig up some old charts from then showing "Handle" and "Amount Returned to Bettors"
Meanwhile, go to the 5th or 6th paragraph of this article from DRF June 17, 1935.. Florida at 10%, Cali at 12%
https://drf.uky.edu//scripts/ViewerJS/#../../catalog/1930s/drf1935061701/0389_3.pdf
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As much as I agree with many posters harness is not high in priorities, the subsidy also includes thoroughbreds, I believe they will come up with the cash
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Throughout thoroughbred racing in the 1930's.
I'll dig up some old charts from then showing "Handle" and "Amount Returned to Bettors"
Meanwhile, go to the 5th or 6th paragraph of this article from DRF June 17, 1935.. Florida at 10%, Cali at 12%
https://drf.uky.edu//scripts/ViewerJS/#../../catalog/1930s/drf1935061701/0389_3.pdf
The meadowlands would rather hold 2 jackpot handles hostage for a year, refuse to give rebates to online players in nj, force them to pay 25% rake on trifectas, provide horrible suggested wagers on their live show that destroys any chance of their viewers winning, watch handle erode then brag about their handle and then finally beg the state for a handout for their failures.
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A message board is part of the problem in harness racing? Get real. Why do harness horseman always blame others and expect Handouts? Bottom line...handle is so low it is not sustainable. Obviously many reasons for that but don't try to blame a message board
I thought the same thing
Horseplop is the killer
Never mind the cheating
Never mind the drugs
Never mind the federal probes
Never mind the lack of publicity
Never mind the boring ass racing
Never mind that exists only because of subsidies.
Never mind the huge takeouts
But -- horseplop -- you FUCKS ruined it ! ! ;D
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More crying and finger pointing.
btw, if take out was 10% like it was back when horse and harness racing was Ameirca's #1 spectator sport, harness racing would be thriving.
Calhoun: I'd like to agree with you, but I can only speak from my experiences of seeing crowded racetracks at Roosevelt, Yonkers and Monticello both as a young fan and eventually an active horseman for about 8 years..The crowds I saw that flooded the above harness tracks with crowds of 20K here in NY in the 60's and 70's were basically born in the early 1900's through my dad's generation born in the 1930's and 40's...These fans could care less about the takeout from the track or that races at times were fixed..It was the only game in town and they loved it fixed or not..As these generations died off, so did the business..I wish you were right that reducing the tracks takeout to 10% would do the trick but the young people today have zero interest in this game..My own 2 kids and their friends like going to Monmouth during the summer especially when they have other events going on there or hitting Saratoga for an exciting day at the races and enjoying the town afterwards ..There's not even a thought of visiting a harness track unless I beg them...Maybe you are right that reducing the take out to 10% would increase online betting somewhat from sophisticated gamblers such as yourself and others on here but I can't see it making that huge a difference in handle or bring any real crowds through the gates...
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Calhoun: I'd like to agree with you, but I can only speak from my experiences of seeing crowded racetracks at Roosevelt, Yonkers and Monticello both as a young fan and eventually an active horseman for about 8 years..The crowds I saw that flooded the above harness tracks with crowds of 20K here in NY in the 60's and 70's were basically born in the early 1900's through my dad's generation born in the 1930's and 40's...These fans could care less about the takeout from the track or that races at times were fixed..It was the only game in town and they loved it fixed or not..As these generations died off, so did the business..I wish you were right that reducing the tracks takeout to 10% would do the trick but the young people today have zero interest in this game..My own 2 kids and their friends like going to Monmouth during the summer especially when they have other events going on there or hitting Saratoga for an exciting day at the races and enjoying the town afterwards ..There's not even a thought of visiting a harness track unless I beg them...Maybe you are right that reducing the take out to 10% would increase online betting somewhat from sophisticated gamblers such as yourself and others on here but I can't see it making that huge a difference in handle or bring any real crowds through the gates...
If takeout was 10% instead of 25%, for example. Where do you think that 15% more returned to winners is gonna go? Its gonna go right back through the windows. The handle difference would be enormous
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There is enough blame for everyone. The truth is, there is not enough public interest in harness racing ina competitive environment to support it as an entity.
Please don't tell me about all the gypsies and thieves. Racing has always had these characters.
In the 1970's, racing had numerous scandals, investigations and arrests. And not low level participants. Some of the biggest names like, Herve. There were owners and race fixers that went to prison. There were riots at the racetrack. There were bookmakers and shylarks everywhere.
Though all that, the industry survived and thrived. Why? Because it was the only legal gambling game in town. Now that people have choices with their gambling dollar, racing has shrunk every day. Very few people care about harness racing. If Roosevelt Raceway was dog track, there would have been 50,000 in attendance for the International Bow Wow. Gambling and night racing is what put harness racing on the map.
Please don't tell me, ..." if they would advertise and market..." All throughout the 1990's, when racing was loosing patrons everyday to other forms of gambling, All the major tracks ran TV commercials, newspaper ads, radio, bus and subway advertising radio... It di very little to attract new patrons. Today, you would probably spend 100x or more on customer acquisition then, it would return .
So yea, horsemen contributed to the down fall , States withdrew funding when the parimutuel became almost nothing, resulting in unpoliced and corrupt judges. But there was the same level of incompetence thievery 50 years ago. The greatest difference is, we had no choice. Today we have choices and people are not choosing racing.
For more proof, look at Scioto Downs. When they were the only harness track operating and competing with C level t-bred tracks they handled 4-5x their average handle.
But, once the people had choices, they chose other tracks. And, for the sake of purse accounts, I hope casinos come back strong but, what will that do to erode the harness fan base? Blaming one group will do nothing more than erode the entire group. An entirely new mission statement and business plan is needed.
we said
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There is enough blame for everyone. The truth is, there is not enough public interest in harness racing ina competitive environment to support it as an entity.
Please don't tell me about all the gypsies and thieves. Racing has always had these characters.
In the 1970's, racing had numerous scandals, investigations and arrests. And not low level participants. Some of the biggest names like, Herve. There were owners and race fixers that went to prison. There were riots at the racetrack. There were bookmakers and shylarks everywhere.
Though all that, the industry survived and thrived. Why? Because it was the only legal gambling game in town. Now that people have choices with their gambling dollar, racing has shrunk every day. Very few people care about harness racing. If Roosevelt Raceway was dog track, there would have been 50,000 in attendance for the International Bow Wow. Gambling and night racing is what put harness racing on the map.
Please don't tell me, ..." if they would advertise and market..." All throughout the 1990's, when racing was loosing patrons everyday to other forms of gambling, All the major tracks ran TV commercials, newspaper ads, radio, bus and subway advertising radio... It di very little to attract new patrons. Today, you would probably spend 100x or more on customer acquisition then, it would return .
So yea, horsemen contributed to the down fall , States withdrew funding when the parimutuel became almost nothing, resulting in unpoliced and corrupt judges. But there was the same level of incompetence thievery 50 years ago. The greatest difference is, we had no choice. Today we have choices and people are not choosing racing.
For more proof, look at Scioto Downs. When they were the only harness track operating and competing with C level t-bred tracks they handled 4-5x their average handle.
But, once the people had choices, they chose other tracks. And, for the sake of purse accounts, I hope casinos come back strong but, what will that do to erode the harness fan base? Blaming one group will do nothing more than erode the entire group. An entirely new mission statement and business plan is needed.
It's the American way. It's just a microcosm of how things are done here.