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Title: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: JL52 on November 18, 2020, 01:48:34 PM
Watch Monticello's 4th race today. Coming to the half, you will see the 5 horse on the inside, and the 5 horse on the outside. Pretty amazing horse, I would guess, except for the fact that someone grabbed the wrong saddlepad, which is how this race ended up with two Number 5 horses. The 6 horse driven by Mike Merton had the wrong saddlepad (he leaves the gate and tucks 3rd). In fact, Oil thought there would be a recall, perhaps as one of the drivers noticed the mistake, but the starter sent them on their way.
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: PIGLAND on November 18, 2020, 01:54:36 PM
UNREAL ,WAS ONE OF THE 5'S ACTUALLY IN THE NEXT RACE? NO INQUIREY?
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: JL52 on November 18, 2020, 01:58:29 PM
No, I think the trainer or groom of the 6 grabbed a saddlepad from another race. As one of my friends just said, only at Monticello
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on November 18, 2020, 03:58:56 PM
THEY CHANGE SADDLE CLOTHES ALL THE TIME, THATS WHY PROGRAM AND REPLAYS DONT MATTER.   UNLESS YOU ARE IN, YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHICH HORSES ARE ACTUALLY RACING.   THEY HAVE NUMEROUS WAYS TO SETUP RACES, AND THIS WAS LIKELY ONE THEY SETUP AT THE DINER AND SOMEONE FORGOT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: Emperor Dapple on November 18, 2020, 04:17:59 PM
THEY CHANGE SADDLE CLOTHES ALL THE TIME, THATS WHY PROGRAM AND REPLAYS DONT MATTER.   UNLESS YOU ARE IN, YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHICH HORSES ARE ACTUALLY RACING.   THEY HAVE NUMEROUS WAYS TO SETUP RACES, AND THIS WAS LIKELY ONE THEY SETUP AT THE DINER AND SOMEONE FORGOT WHAT WAS GOING ON.

Miss Monticello Diner was empty this morning.. No set up today ..
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: Parked on November 18, 2020, 05:04:07 PM
Few can count in Monticello And the ones that can don’t care. 
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: PIGLAND on November 18, 2020, 05:57:58 PM
THEY CHANGE SADDLE CLOTHES ALL THE TIME, THATS WHY PROGRAM AND REPLAYS DONT MATTER.   UNLESS YOU ARE IN, YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHICH HORSES ARE ACTUALLY RACING.   THEY HAVE NUMEROUS WAYS TO SETUP RACES, AND THIS WAS LIKELY ONE THEY SETUP AT THE DINER AND SOMEONE FORGOT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
cheating
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: the master on November 18, 2020, 06:10:54 PM
Different process at Monty than anyplace else! The one whose doing the paddock often has to run around and find their number!  Never should have happened of course, total carelessness but certainly no fix!
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: The Exporter on November 18, 2020, 06:33:29 PM
That is a first. So they post parade and Oil calls out the number , the horse and the owner, trainer and driver. They score down for 6-8 minutes or so. They go to the gate and nobody attempts to correct the error ?
 I guess if it was going to happen anywhere, it was going to happen at Monticello. 
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: PIGLAND on November 18, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
That is a first. So they post parade and Oil calls out the number , the horse and the owner, trainer and driver. They score down for 6-8 minutes or so. They go to the gate and nobody attempts to correct the error ?
 I guess if it was going to happen anywhere, it was going to happen at Monticello.
and howard said there was gonna be a recall but the judges started the race anyway
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: Fatboy on November 18, 2020, 07:00:18 PM
I HAD A 5-5 EXACTA
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: shuffledagain on November 18, 2020, 07:34:09 PM
Make them all the 5.  Even I could hit it tmbz1
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: chief yogi on November 18, 2020, 07:36:52 PM
if the race finish was 5-5-1-2 and their was an inquirey with the 5 having to be paced would the result be 5-1-2 or 1-2. do they both have to come down?
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: drink more beer on November 18, 2020, 07:37:20 PM
My luck 5- 5 i would still lose 🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻😝😝😝
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: Locked in with pace on November 19, 2020, 07:00:36 AM
I have Never ever heard of this happening before. Even the announcer called for a recall. Something was obviously noticed but they let it go. Obviously, no one is watching there. What in the world were the judges watching during the post parade.  So they see two #5's in the post parade and do nothing. Comical but truly shameful. I guess no one cares. The best will be when the fines come out on the USTA. Curious who gets fined and for how much. Wonder if the judges get fined
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: The Exporter on November 19, 2020, 08:12:40 AM
As you said, I have never seen this blunder before. Now, if this happened at a Thoroughbred track say Saratoga, I could almost guarantee you the State Steward would be gone. I recall many years ago at Saratoga they reviewed a race and all three Stewards agreed and disqualified the wrong horse. All three were fired.
 In racing, the Steward or Presiding Judge is the top dog. If it happens under his watch, he is responsible and must fall on his sword. But, in the world of C track harness racing, just another boo boo. On to the next race. 
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on November 19, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
The fact that this mistake was obvious during the post parade and nothing was done to correct it is totally unacceptable. Laziness at its worse. Somebody needs to lose their job. There are a lot of unemployed people out there who would love to have a job like this.
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on November 19, 2020, 10:47:53 AM
There is zero oversight.   These guys change saddle clothes and even substitute horses to cash tickets.   

The day before, tuesday, john desimone lined up in wrong spot and was supposedly a recall but windows locked.   They stayed on the gate open all the way around at a crawl.   Another minute delay with windows locked.   They went and between the quarter and half the odds still had dramatic changes.   To top it off the horse who finished second was placed third for bumping a pylon.   The dumb ass judges gave a slowmotion replay close up which was in direct conflict with the placing.   

The woman answering phone said no one is watching in grandstand and more  of them had the exacta the other way so Simmonds used his discretion and made them winners.   Brian Berry is a no show for decades job gets extra envelopes to stay out of this stuff.   Gaming commission is a bunch of cheats and partners with the crime syndicate.
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: PIGLAND on November 21, 2020, 07:26:07 AM
there should never be 2 fives in a race
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: Fatboy on November 21, 2020, 09:36:54 AM
HOWARDS OIL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AGREED
Title: Re: Well, you can't blame Howard Oil for this one
Post by: Superfecta on November 21, 2020, 09:51:56 AM
HOWARDS OIL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AGREED

Agreed but his nasal calls still suck..
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