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Title: Synthetic weed...
Post by: The Exporter on April 26, 2024, 09:18:48 AM
This stuff must be quite the drug.  John Wagner has gets popped for 7 positives. Six horses won and the other was second.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: jupiter on April 26, 2024, 09:33:00 AM
Groom must have had too piss a lot, or his whole crew is on the stuff. Test the grooms. 
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Sunmoon 1219 on April 26, 2024, 09:47:17 AM
Sixto Rivas and Castaldo met with Tony M in Delaware last month wonder if they provided the wonder drug out east?
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Kirby's Ace on April 26, 2024, 10:04:56 AM
This stuff must be quite the drug.  John Wagner has gets popped for 7 positives. Six horses won and the other was second.

I think that'll about do it for Wagner. He has given everyone that's bearded for him positives and has used up his 9 lives as well!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: All trot on April 26, 2024, 11:53:10 AM
Where’s he gonna lay the blame this time?
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 26, 2024, 12:09:19 PM
This has been the talk for quite some time now. Wagner and Morgan's names have been in the same discussion and it's nothing new. I hope this is the straw the broke the camel's back. You can't tell me that these guys are being protected because they need them to fill races. Unless this is out and out bribery, protection, extortion, or something of the like...WTF?!?!?!? I don't even believe this applies to Burke yet alone these two. Enough.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: wizardofoz on April 26, 2024, 12:35:38 PM
It has been reported to be as many as 19 horses between Delaware and Maryland have come up positive for the newest drug to hit harness racing, Synthetic Marijuana. The mindset of these so-called trainers to keep looking for new chemicals to place into their horses to cheat the public and make a lot of money is disgusting!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: wiseowl on April 26, 2024, 12:58:00 PM
I don't think marijuana could help a horse unless you wanted to mellow them out.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: wizardofoz on April 26, 2024, 01:21:14 PM
Wagner sure liked its results and he gave it to MANY of his horses it looks like!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Sunmoon 1219 on April 26, 2024, 01:23:28 PM
you guys out east always the original cheats.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Papillon on April 26, 2024, 01:31:18 PM
I don't think marijuana could help a horse unless you wanted to mellow them out.

the proper term is  "cannabis" and it used for pain relief
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Harness racer on April 26, 2024, 01:43:31 PM
Why is he given the same penalty as someone with one positive?  Or am I looking at it incorrectly?
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 26, 2024, 02:07:46 PM
Wagner was one of the first to get popped for EPO years ago. Served a 5 year suspension. Now he is looking at more than 5 years.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Harness racer on April 26, 2024, 02:13:29 PM
Wagner was one of the first to get popped for EPO years ago. Served a 5 year suspension. Now he is looking at more than 5 years.

If that's true it doesn't read that way.  I think he's only getting the one fine and suspension but has to return purse money from all the positives.  If this is the case, it's complete bullshit!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 26, 2024, 02:29:42 PM
It has been reported to be as many as 19 horses between Delaware and Maryland have come up positive for the newest drug to hit harness racing, Synthetic Marijuana. The mindset of these so-called trainers to keep looking for new chemicals to place into their horses to cheat the public and make a lot of money is disgusting!

Not a lot of money at rosecroft (speedway) raceway but getting the bulk of the purse money means you won’t starve either!!
Any idea how much this new “drug” costs to produce?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Parked on April 26, 2024, 06:44:59 PM
Must be the grooms are hiding their synthetic weed in the nebulizer
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: samstar on April 26, 2024, 07:47:02 PM
This has been the talk for quite some time now. Wagner and Morgan's names have been in the same discussion and it's nothing new. I hope this is the straw the broke the camel's back. You can't tell me that these guys are being protected because they need them to fill races. Unless this is out and out bribery, protection, extortion, or something of the like...WTF?!?!?!? I don't even believe this applies to Burke yet alone these two. Enough.
Don't even think of using Burkes name in connection with these pieces of shit.  They are stealing your money.  Same actors different drugs.  5 years for epogen and a reputation for using anything to win a race.  Same names every time.  They are stealing your money not the general public,  you bust your ass to have your horses  ready and they sail right by you and cash the check you should have gotten.  This isn't a banamine or bute overage, this is hard illegal drugs that have no place in racing or in caring for a horse.  Fuck them up the ass, that is what they have been doing to you.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Harness racer on April 26, 2024, 08:27:59 PM
Wagner is as shady as they come.  He’s been banned everywhere at some point.  Why let a guy giving epo ever back in?  You think that they just change their ways?  Nope, just change their drug of choice!  This goes for all these pieces of shit!  And samstar is 100% correct.  Horsemen stand around chatting  with all these cheats like they are buddies and they are stealing from you and laughing all the way to the bank!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: mykids3 on April 26, 2024, 08:37:05 PM
Wagner has for sure had a lot of positives, but all these positives came when he was out having surgery.  He was out for 2 months.  Yea he is down as trainer so he will be held responsible.  Hasn't had positives for years, why would so many show up now? 
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: seen2much on April 26, 2024, 08:54:11 PM
The use of PED's in horses never seems to end.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Stan durbread on April 26, 2024, 08:58:12 PM
Wagner has for sure had a lot of positives, but all these positives came when he was out having surgery.  He was out for 2 months.  Yea he is down as trainer so he will be held responsible.  Hasn't had positives for years, why would so many show up now?

Just because you ain’t there doesn’t mean you ain’t telling someone what to give them.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: All trot on April 26, 2024, 09:16:58 PM
He hasn’t had positives for years? Better check his record! Had bunch of them couple years ago in Va
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: mykids3 on April 26, 2024, 10:22:57 PM
He hasn’t had positives for years? Better check his record! Had bunch of them couple years ago in Va
Yes a couple of years
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Stan durbread on April 26, 2024, 10:25:30 PM
Yes a couple of years
He was suspended in the mean time
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: mykids3 on April 26, 2024, 10:35:33 PM
Do you homework before you post, hasn't been suspended in 11 years.
Haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Kirby's Ace on April 26, 2024, 10:57:45 PM
Do you homework before you post, hasn't been suspended in 11 years.
Haters gonna hate.

No maybe not in his name. But who you are fooling! We all know the beards he used like Cameron, Trader and the list goes on and on. But since he ran out of people, he had to go down himself. You can spin it anyway you want but he's dirty and always has been!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: samstar on April 26, 2024, 11:05:36 PM
7 positives on one report is enough for me.  That is cheating at the max!  He should pay with a lifetime suspension.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Meadow Ford on April 26, 2024, 11:35:35 PM
Do you homework before you post, hasn't been suspended in 11 years.
Haters gonna hate.
It is free to look up fines and suspentions on Pathway.
John W. Wagner
This guy has paid over $35,000 in fines.
303 rulings
1/19/23     Robixon    15 days
11/6/22     Firocoxib    return purse
11/6/22     Firocoxib    return purse
11/3/22     Firocoxib    return purse
11/1/22     Firocoxib    return purse $500 fine
10/30/22   Firocoxib    return purse
10/29/22   Firocoxib    return purse $500 fine
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: All trot on April 26, 2024, 11:39:19 PM
And how many did his beards get!!!!! His rap sheet on him alone is 31 pages!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 26, 2024, 11:41:14 PM
Don't even think of using Burkes name in connection with these pieces of shit.  They are stealing your money.  Same actors different drugs.  5 years for epogen and a reputation for using anything to win a race.  Same names every time.  They are stealing your money not the general public,  you bust your ass to have your horses  ready and they sail right by you and cash the check you should have gotten.  This isn't a banamine or bute overage, this is hard illegal drugs that have no place in racing or in caring for a horse.  Fuck them up the ass, that is what they have been doing to you.

Don't be foolish. Look at the context in which I am referring to Burke. I might as well just say that you are saying Burke is racing on hay, oats, and water.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: COUNSELOR on April 27, 2024, 03:18:56 AM
THIS IS ACTUALLY ENTERTAINING TO READ.   IMAGINE THE POSITIVES THAT TRULY CHEAT THE PUBLIC AND THE TRUE HONEST HORSEMEN.   IT IS A TRUE TRAVESTY!

I AM AWARE OF AN OWNER THAT RECENTLY APPLIED FOR A USTA LICENSE AND WAS DENIED BECAUSE HE HAD A BANKRUPTCY IN 1986!    YES, 1986!   MY CALCULATIONS IS THAT IS OVER 38 YEARS AGO!    HE WAS QUOTED THE "FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY RULE" IN THE USTA BYLAWS!    38 YEARS FOR A LEGAL RIGHT OF EVERY AMERICAN BUT YET HE ATTEMPTED TO GET AN OWNDERS LICENSE THE RIGHT WAY----NO BEARDS----NO FALSE OR HIDDEN OWNERSHIP----PAID THE FEES AND WAS DENIED!   HE MADE PHONE CALLS AND WAS ADVISED THT IS THE USTA BYLAWS.   TRUTHFULLY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COURTS SHOULD EXAMINE AND RULE ON IMMEDIATELY.  THIS IS TRULY JUST SELECTIVE PROSECUTION !    TO EVEN IMAGINE THIS COULD OCCUR.

HE FORWARDED THE ACTUAL BANKRUPTCY DOCUMENTS TO THE USTA FOR REVIEW EVEN THOUGH HE HAD TO GET FROM THE COURTS ARCHIVES-----BUT HE DID.   THEN HE WAS TOLD HE COULD GO IN FRONT OF THE FULL BOARD AND BASICALLY BEG FOR MERCY TO GET A ONE YEAR PROBATIONARY LICENSE.  DO ANY OF THESE FOLKS WITH 7 POSITIVES RECEIVE A 38 YEAR SUSPENSION ???  I DOUBT IT.   THE FOLKS IN PRISION WILL BE RACING LEGALL OR VIA BEARDS WITHIN DAYS OF THEIR RELEASE.   

IT IS HILARIOUS TO THINK THAT ANYONE WHO FILED BANKRUPTCY 38 YEARS AGO CANNOT OWN A HORSE AND GET A USTA LICENSE.   I FIND IT SICKENING TO EVEN COMPREHEND.   38 YEARS!!!!   THESE FOLKS WITH POSITIVE TEST AS WELL AS SO MANY OTHER VIOLATIONS GET A 15 DAY SUSPENSION.   RETURN A PURSE CHECK.   A STAY.   THIS IS TRULY A JOKE AND WHY THE SPORT HAS DETERIOTED SO BADLY.   BETTORS ARE SICK OF THE 1/9 PED HORSES WITHOUT PAYOFFS.   SICK OF THE DIMINISHING OWNERS/TRAINERS /DRIVERS.   HORRENDOUS.   EVERYONE SITS BACK AND WATCHES THEIR LIVILIHOOD DISAPPEAR BEFORE  THEIR EYES.

THE DEMISE OF HARNESS RACING IS UPON US DUE TO IDIOTS THAT RUN THE IDUSTRY AND PLAY FAVORITES TO THE BAD FOLKS RUINING THE SPORT.   THE FELLA WITH 7 POSITIVES SHOULD BE INCARCERATED AND BARRED FOR LIFE.   I GUESS THE ANSWER IS HE CAN FILE BANKRUPTCY AND THEN BE BARRED FOR THE NEXT 38 YEARS!

I AM NOT SURE THERE WILL EVEN BE ONE OWNER LEFT IN 38 YEARS!!!!!  UNLESS NEW HONEST LEADERS EMERGE IT IS "GAME OVER!"
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Harness racer on April 27, 2024, 05:32:08 AM
Do you homework before you post, hasn't been suspended in 11 years.
Haters gonna hate.

Guy is a fucking cheat.  There is proof everywhere.  You are delusional and part of the problem!  You must be him, or work for him.  All 4 of your lifetime posts involve Wagner.  tmbz1
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Wild bull on April 27, 2024, 06:14:00 AM
The use of PED's in horses never seems to end.
nor should they you must inject to collect these are investments notpets dope them til they drop than hide the body
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Wild bull on April 27, 2024, 06:18:18 AM
But who you are fooling and people get on me for my grammar
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Wild bull on April 27, 2024, 06:21:56 AM
Don't be foolish. Look at the context in which I am referring to Burke. I might as well just say that you are saying Burke is racing on hay, oats, and water.
can you prove burke don't race clean I think he's just misunderstood one of the best guys in the business
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Wild bull on April 27, 2024, 06:29:11 AM
THIS IS ACTUALLY ENTERTAINING TO READ.   IMAGINE THE POSITIVES THAT TRULY CHEAT THE PUBLIC AND THE TRUE HONEST HORSEMEN.   IT IS A TRUE TRAVESTY!

I AM AWARE OF AN OWNER THAT RECENTLY APPLIED FOR A USTA LICENSE AND WAS DENIED BECAUSE HE HAD A BANKRUPTCY IN 1986!    YES, 1986!   MY CALCULATIONS IS THAT IS OVER 38 YEARS AGO!    HE WAS QUOTED THE "FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY RULE" IN THE USTA BYLAWS!    38 YEARS FOR A LEGAL RIGHT OF EVERY AMERICAN BUT YET HE ATTEMPTED TO GET AN OWNDERS LICENSE THE RIGHT WAY----NO BEARDS----NO FALSE OR HIDDEN OWNERSHIP----PAID THE FEES AND WAS DENIED!   HE MADE PHONE CALLS AND WAS ADVISED THT IS THE USTA BYLAWS.   TRUTHFULLY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COURTS SHOULD EXAMINE AND RULE ON IMMEDIATELY.  THIS IS TRULY JUST SELECTIVE PROSECUTION !    TO EVEN IMAGINE THIS COULD OCCUR.

HE FORWARDED THE ACTUAL BANKRUPTCY DOCUMENTS TO THE USTA FOR REVIEW EVEN THOUGH HE HAD TO GET FROM THE COURTS ARCHIVES-----BUT HE DID.   THEN HE WAS TOLD HE COULD GO IN FRONT OF THE FULL BOARD AND BASICALLY BEG FOR MERCY TO GET A ONE YEAR PROBATIONARY LICENSE.  DO ANY OF THESE FOLKS WITH 7 POSITIVES RECEIVE A 38 YEAR SUSPENSION ???  I DOUBT IT.   THE FOLKS IN PRISION WILL BE RACING LEGALL OR VIA BEARDS WITHIN DAYS OF THEIR RELEASE.   

IT IS HILARIOUS TO THINK THAT ANYONE WHO FILED BANKRUPTCY 38 YEARS AGO CANNOT OWN A HORSE AND GET A USTA LICENSE.   I FIND IT SICKENING TO EVEN COMPREHEND.   38 YEARS!!!!   THESE FOLKS WITH POSITIVE TEST AS WELL AS SO MANY OTHER VIOLATIONS GET A 15 DAY SUSPENSION.   RETURN A PURSE CHECK.   A STAY.   THIS IS TRULY A JOKE AND WHY THE SPORT HAS DETERIOTED SO BADLY.   BETTORS ARE SICK OF THE 1/9 PED HORSES WITHOUT PAYOFFS.   SICK OF THE DIMINISHING OWNERS/TRAINERS /DRIVERS.   HORRENDOUS.   EVERYONE SITS BACK AND WATCHES THEIR LIVILIHOOD DISAPPEAR BEFORE  THEIR EYES.

THE DEMISE OF HARNESS RACING IS UPON US DUE TO IDIOTS THAT RUN THE IDUSTRY AND PLAY FAVORITES TO THE BAD FOLKS RUINING THE SPORT.   THE FELLA WITH 7 POSITIVES SHOULD BE INCARCERATED AND BARRED FOR LIFE.   I GUESS THE ANSWER IS HE CAN FILE BANKRUPTCY AND THEN BE BARRED FOR THE NEXT 38 YEARS!

I AM NOT SURE THERE WILL EVEN BE ONE OWNER LEFT IN 38 YEARS!!!!!  UNLESS NEW HONEST LEADERS EMERGE IT IS "GAME OVER!"
maybe this "owner"should tell you the real reason they won't license him I did ten years for murder and I'm out and racing stealing money from all these suckers that either can't cheat with the best of us or won't which is their own damn fault for being stupid
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 27, 2024, 06:53:17 AM
maybe this "owner"should tell you the real reason they won't license him I did ten years for murder and I'm out and racing stealing money from all these suckers that either can't cheat with the best of us or won't which is their own damn fault for being stupid
You're a piece of shit pussy that doesn't have the balls to murder a moth. The only reason you are named Wild Bull is because you smell like one.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: R Kelly on April 28, 2024, 12:42:28 AM
You're a piece of shit pussy that doesn't have the balls to murder a moth. The only reason you are named Wild Bull is because you smell like one.
ngc3
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 12:48:47 AM
Don't be foolish. Look at the context in which I am referring to Burke. I might as well just say that you are saying Burke is racing on hay, oats, and water.

Compared to the "new" 'synthetic weed' and the appealed suspension of Per Engblom, Burke and others are on a hay, oats, and water program!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Wild bull on April 28, 2024, 04:29:35 AM
You're a piece of shit pussy that doesn't have the balls to murder a moth. The only reason you are named Wild Bull is because you smell like one.
tell me where I can find you and say good bye to your husband and I'll prove it nigger
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 28, 2024, 10:20:02 AM
tell me where I can find you and say good bye to your husband and I'll prove it nigger
I'm not married and white. You're still a piece of shit pussy. I WIN!!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Wild bull on April 28, 2024, 04:21:36 PM
I'm not married and white. You're still a piece of shit pussy. I WIN!!
so not even the fags will have you what a shame what you can't be a nigger because your white guess again bitch you ain't won shit nor will you ever so go back and grab your hat of peanut butter and rub it on yourself so the dog will play with you and you can get off
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 06:18:16 PM
Why don't all of you that aren't posting on this thread please make your own room up in the O.T. and play [with each other] over there!  That way we can all watch from a distance instead of ruining threads!  THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Harness racer on April 28, 2024, 06:21:25 PM
can you prove burke don't race clean I think he's just misunderstood one of the best guys in the business

Yes, he has tons of positives and was just suspended for a while.  Isn't that proof?   ngc3
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 06:28:33 PM
Yes, he has tons of positives and was just suspended for a while.  Isn't that proof?   ngc3


We all have to decide for ourselves whether there is a difference between "MAJOR POSITIVES (synthetic cannabis, EPO, etc.) and 'minor positives' (milkshake, bute, etc.) and does the time serve the "CRIME"!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Harness racer on April 28, 2024, 06:30:06 PM
I agree there is a huge difference between drug categories...but the question posed was does he race clean.  And the answer is no!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Kirby's Ace on April 28, 2024, 06:30:19 PM
THIS IS ACTUALLY ENTERTAINING TO READ.   IMAGINE THE POSITIVES THAT TRULY CHEAT THE PUBLIC AND THE TRUE HONEST HORSEMEN.   IT IS A TRUE TRAVESTY!

I AM AWARE OF AN OWNER THAT RECENTLY APPLIED FOR A USTA LICENSE AND WAS DENIED BECAUSE HE HAD A BANKRUPTCY IN 1986!    YES, 1986!   MY CALCULATIONS IS THAT IS OVER 38 YEARS AGO!    HE WAS QUOTED THE "FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY RULE" IN THE USTA BYLAWS!    38 YEARS FOR A LEGAL RIGHT OF EVERY AMERICAN BUT YET HE ATTEMPTED TO GET AN OWNDERS LICENSE THE RIGHT WAY----NO BEARDS----NO FALSE OR HIDDEN OWNERSHIP----PAID THE FEES AND WAS DENIED!   HE MADE PHONE CALLS AND WAS ADVISED THT IS THE USTA BYLAWS.   TRUTHFULLY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COURTS SHOULD EXAMINE AND RULE ON IMMEDIATELY.  THIS IS TRULY JUST SELECTIVE PROSECUTION !    TO EVEN IMAGINE THIS COULD OCCUR.

HE FORWARDED THE ACTUAL BANKRUPTCY DOCUMENTS TO THE USTA FOR REVIEW EVEN THOUGH HE HAD TO GET FROM THE COURTS ARCHIVES-----BUT HE DID.   THEN HE WAS TOLD HE COULD GO IN FRONT OF THE FULL BOARD AND BASICALLY BEG FOR MERCY TO GET A ONE YEAR PROBATIONARY LICENSE.  DO ANY OF THESE FOLKS WITH 7 POSITIVES RECEIVE A 38 YEAR SUSPENSION ???  I DOUBT IT.   THE FOLKS IN PRISION WILL BE RACING LEGALL OR VIA BEARDS WITHIN DAYS OF THEIR RELEASE.   

IT IS HILARIOUS TO THINK THAT ANYONE WHO FILED BANKRUPTCY 38 YEARS AGO CANNOT OWN A HORSE AND GET A USTA LICENSE.   I FIND IT SICKENING TO EVEN COMPREHEND.   38 YEARS!!!!   THESE FOLKS WITH POSITIVE TEST AS WELL AS SO MANY OTHER VIOLATIONS GET A 15 DAY SUSPENSION.   RETURN A PURSE CHECK.   A STAY.   THIS IS TRULY A JOKE AND WHY THE SPORT HAS DETERIOTED SO BADLY.   BETTORS ARE SICK OF THE 1/9 PED HORSES WITHOUT PAYOFFS.   SICK OF THE DIMINISHING OWNERS/TRAINERS /DRIVERS.   HORRENDOUS.   EVERYONE SITS BACK AND WATCHES THEIR LIVILIHOOD DISAPPEAR BEFORE  THEIR EYES.

THE DEMISE OF HARNESS RACING IS UPON US DUE TO IDIOTS THAT RUN THE IDUSTRY AND PLAY FAVORITES TO THE BAD FOLKS RUINING THE SPORT.   THE FELLA WITH 7 POSITIVES SHOULD BE INCARCERATED AND BARRED FOR LIFE.   I GUESS THE ANSWER IS HE CAN FILE BANKRUPTCY AND THEN BE BARRED FOR THE NEXT 38 YEARS!

I AM NOT SURE THERE WILL EVEN BE ONE OWNER LEFT IN 38 YEARS!!!!!  UNLESS NEW HONEST LEADERS EMERGE IT IS "GAME OVER!"

Maybe the guy is SCM?
 ngc3
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 06:33:31 PM
I agree there is a huge difference between drug categories...but the question posed was does he race clean.  And the answer is no!

Ask Baffert and the t-bred group on these questyions too!  I'm sure their responses would be very interesting to read and discuss here too!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: All trot on April 28, 2024, 07:01:11 PM
The Delaware bunch with the positives trying to hire Bob Bafferts attorney. 20k deposit for him.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Harness racer on April 28, 2024, 07:04:11 PM
That sounds made up.  Why would he even be licensed to practice law in Delaware?
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: SwankToliverA on April 28, 2024, 07:23:57 PM
You're a piece of shit pussy that doesn't have the balls to murder a moth. The only reason you are named Wild Bull is because you smell like one.
tmbz1
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 28, 2024, 07:36:40 PM
Why don't all of you that aren't posting on this thread please make your own room up in the O.T. and play [with each other] over there!  That way we can all watch from a distance instead of ruining threads!  THANK YOU!
Go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 07:39:17 PM
Go fuck yourself.
I see a REPEAT performance of a previous post on another thread moments ago!
SO SO SAD!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 28, 2024, 07:49:48 PM
I see a REPEAT performance of a previous post on another thread moments ago!
SO SO SAD!
If you are so worried about the thread, why are you responding, jerkoff?
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 07:51:51 PM
If you are so worried about the thread, why are you responding, jerkoff?

You can do better with your comments towards me!

Some of us would actually like to discuss this thread as it is an interesting one for a change on horseplop.

Anything else?
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 28, 2024, 07:56:16 PM
You can do better with your comments towards me!

Some of us would actually like to discuss this thread as it is an interesting one for a change on horseplop.

Anything else?
I respond to posts when they are directed towards me, douchebag.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 08:32:49 PM
I respond to posts when they are directed towards me, douchebag.

As I said earlier, please take your problems/issues to the O.T.

THANK YOU
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Legal Larry K on April 28, 2024, 10:17:25 PM
Maybe the guy is SCM?
 ngc3
No shot. The counselor is the chicago guy who started horseplop. His name escapes me right now but he is the lawyer who started horseplop
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 10:25:40 PM
No shot. The counselor is the chicago guy who started horseplop. His name escapes me right now but he is the lawyer who started horseplop

If what you said is true, maybe the banning of certain individuals can start again--the sooner the better!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Wild bull on April 28, 2024, 10:35:00 PM
I see a REPEAT performance of a previous post on another thread moments ago!
SO SO SAD!
what do you expect from the king of the short bus riders you know him walking around with a rubber helmet and his Scooby Doo lunchbox while in highschool lmao
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 28, 2024, 11:10:43 PM
what do you expect from the king of the short bus riders you know him walking around with a rubber helmet and his Scooby Doo lunchbox while in highschool lmao
Nobody cares what you think. The next time you compose a proper sentence will be your first. You make John Frank Army look like William Shakespeare.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 28, 2024, 11:43:00 PM
Nobody cares what you think. The next time you compose a proper sentence will be your first. You make John Frank Army look like William Shakespeare.

If either of you 2 post something constructive about racing, it is a 'good thing'.  If you 2 can't do this, don't post!  Simple, isn't it!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 29, 2024, 12:40:52 AM
If either of you 2 post something constructive about racing, it is a 'good thing'.  If you 2 can't do this, don't post!  Simple, isn't it!
You apparently think I give a fuck about your opinion(s). From what I gather, no one else gives a fuck either.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 29, 2024, 01:26:51 AM
You apparently think I give a fuck about your opinion(s). From what I gather, no one else gives a fuck either.
Really???
And not many others care about your opinion either!!

Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 29, 2024, 02:11:47 AM
Really???
And not many others care about your opinion either!!
You're the same whining pussy who left plop and when you came back, you cried to administration because your total posts from the past weren't added. What a pole smoker pain in the ass you are.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 29, 2024, 08:30:01 AM
You're the same whining pussy who left plop and when you came back, you cried to administration because your total posts from the past weren't added. What a pole smoker pain in the ass you are.

FYI, I didn’t “LEAVE” plop!  Please stop ‘making up stories’ on things you don’t know anything about!  I made a request on getting my posts back (FYI-the exact same account name which admin approved) and it was taken care of!  Please stop your ‘WHINING’ and “CRYING” and talk racing! 
Talk about a ‘pole smoking pain in the ass’—all we see who you really are here—a plopster who can only dish it out and can’t take it!  You don’t like it when people ‘triple down’ after you “double down” and the ‘volleying’ continues!  Your posts also get nastier and nastier.  PLEASE GROW UP!   
Thank you for getting my “post count” higher on horseplop!
Thanx for posting!!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 29, 2024, 09:31:51 AM
FYI, I didn’t “LEAVE” plop!  Please stop ‘making up stories’ on things you don’t know anything about!  I made a request on getting my posts back (FYI-the exact same account name which admin approved) and it was taken care of!  Please stop your ‘WHINING’ and “CRYING” and talk racing! 
Talk about a ‘pole smoking pain in the ass’—all we see who you really are here—a plopster who can only dish it out and can’t take it!  You don’t like it when people ‘triple down’ after you “double down” and the ‘volleying’ continues!  Your posts also get nastier and nastier.  PLEASE GROW UP!   
Thank you for getting my “post count” higher on horseplop!
Thanx for posting!!
Mommy!! I want my post count returned!!! Wah!! Wah!!!!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Wild bull on April 29, 2024, 10:28:50 AM
You apparently think I give a fuck about your opinion(s). From what I gather, no one else gives a fuck either.
for once I agree with this rotten POS but still mike go fuck yourself dummy
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Way to go on April 29, 2024, 11:36:58 AM
No more bullshit arguments.... Tuesday first  Judge's hearing ................. .....
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 29, 2024, 01:17:05 PM
Mommy!! I want my post count returned!!! Wah!! Wah!!!!

It’s SO SAD when you can’t read and understand the English language!  It only shows how ‘STUPID’/“DUMB” you really are! Please stop your ‘WHINING’ and “CRYING” here on horseplop you ‘big baby’!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 29, 2024, 02:52:35 PM
It’s SO SAD when you can’t read and understand the English language!  It only shows how ‘STUPID’/“DUMB” you really are! Please stop your ‘WHINING’ and “CRYING” here on horseplop you ‘big baby’!
You're the reason they call Chicago the Windy City.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 29, 2024, 03:05:41 PM
You're the reason they call Chicago the Windy City.
Not from Chicago!
Please try again!
Thank you for posting!!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: bond on April 30, 2024, 09:11:55 AM
Here’s what I heard.
These positives are from a synthetic weed more potent than natural weed .It has killed people and is a Class 1 drug.Its schedule 1 drug with Law enforcement-
It is 100 times stronger than THC found in marijuana ..
From a drug testing point in horse racing it is on the same level as Heroin Cocaine and other PEDrugs
It is illegal to have in your possession and IMHO anyone who has this in their horses should immediately be given life suspensions until their Court date.
The penalties handed out so far are an absolute joke -a slap on the wrist.
People have received far stiffer sentences with lesser PEDrugs
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on April 30, 2024, 09:27:53 AM
Here’s what I heard.
These positives are from a synthetic weed more potent than natural weed .It has killed people and is a Class 1 drug.Its schedule 1 drug with Law enforcement-
It is 100 times stronger than THC found in marijuana ..
From a drug testing point in horse racing it is on the same level as Heroin Cocaine and other PEDrugs
It is illegal to have in your possession and IMHO anyone who has this in their horses should immediately be given life suspensions until their Court date.
The penalties handed out so far are an absolute joke -a slap on the wrist.
People have received far stiffer sentences with lesser PEDrugs
tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Way to go on April 30, 2024, 09:32:21 AM
Amen.........I hope FBI and State police become involved
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 30, 2024, 10:52:38 AM
Unfortunately, HISA does not -- yet -- have oversight in the harness racing industry. I hope they do one day. There has to be a massive difference between a positive on a therapeutic, approved drug and some designer, exotic, no need to ever have drug. I am not giving a pass to the former, but there are going to be cases of contamination. Intent may not be an element, but I can certainly see an egregious example where it's obvious. The latter, no discussion necessary. The Navarro/Servis case litigation and trial was nothing more than a means to an end. At some point you just have to start thinking this is nothing more than the Lance Armstrong scenario and a cover up is going on. Hold the owners accountable to some extent and you'll see change.

Let there be a national wrap sheet. If your trainer has one strike, you know it, and you bear the consequences of strike two. More harsh for strike 3. And so on. This business will never be hay, oats, and water, and if you are, unfortunately, you are at a competitive disadvantage, and there lies the problem. Hall of Fame trainers, who are widely accepted as being clean, legit, etc., even they have a positive or two, usually limited to a therapeutic drug. Today, find me a top, high percentage winning trainer who doesn't have a positive test -- or three -- on their record. I think HISA will improve, and as a result the sport and the business will as well.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: The Thorn on April 30, 2024, 11:18:52 AM

Let there be a national wrap sheet.

Sounds tasty.  Will they use a tortilla or rice paper?   ngc3
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 30, 2024, 11:45:11 AM
Whole wheat.  lok55
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: tumbleweed on April 30, 2024, 12:15:49 PM
 tmbz1
tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Parked on April 30, 2024, 12:23:31 PM
Lets start listing name(s) of owners of horses testing positive. 
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: JENNY FROM THE BLOCK on April 30, 2024, 01:16:29 PM
i tried this for real once in real life(synthetic weed) it was an out of body experience. almost as if i was in a cartoon. totally out of your mind while on it
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 30, 2024, 01:46:19 PM
Lets start listing name(s) of owners of horses testing positive.

All someone has to do is backtrack the owners in USTA since you have the horses names——simple process!!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Ramnap on April 30, 2024, 02:30:39 PM
i tried this for real once in real life(synthetic weed) it was an out of body experience. almost as if i was in a cartoon. totally out of your mind while on it

Have any left?
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: rainman2 on April 30, 2024, 02:56:37 PM
Have any left?

If you really need some, look up where these individuals are located. Better yet, take a trip there and find out!!
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: The Thorn on May 01, 2024, 03:00:45 AM
I'm a bit confused about this whole topic.  The drug Wagner got 7 positives for Firocoxib,  is NOT synthetic cannabis, marijuana, cannabinoids etc.  It is a NSAID pain reliver used in horses and dogs.  You can buy it on Chewy.com.

"Firocoxib, sold under the brand names Equioxx and Previcox among others, is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) of the COX-2 inhibitor (coxib) class. It is approved for use in horses (Equioxx) and for use in dogs (Previcox).

Here are some key points about Firocoxib:

It is used to treat pain and inflammation in dogs and horses.
It is most frequently used to treat arthritis and pain after surgery or trauma."

Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: All trot on May 01, 2024, 08:45:17 AM
 He received 7 positives for previcox in 2021 this is 7 new positives. Possibly more to come.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Way to go on May 01, 2024, 08:58:11 AM
2021....MITIGATIN G CIRCUMSTANCES.... LOL
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Yonkers1A on May 01, 2024, 03:00:18 PM
I prefer all natural weed
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on May 01, 2024, 07:09:09 PM
I'm a bit confused about this whole topic.  The drug Wagner got 7 positives for Firocoxib,  is NOT synthetic cannabis, marijuana, cannabinoids etc.  It is a NSAID pain reliver used in horses and dogs.  You can buy it on Chewy.com.

"Firocoxib, sold under the brand names Equioxx and Previcox among others, is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) of the COX-2 inhibitor (coxib) class. It is approved for use in horses (Equioxx) and for use in dogs (Previcox).

Here are some key points about Firocoxib:

It is used to treat pain and inflammation in dogs and horses.
It is most frequently used to treat arthritis and pain after surgery or trauma."
It was 7 positives for ADB-Fubinaca which is synthetic cannabinoid.
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: SwankToliverA on May 01, 2024, 08:03:30 PM
I prefer all natural weed
tmbz1
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: NatHillIV on May 01, 2024, 08:55:26 PM
It was 7 positives for ADB-Fubinaca which is synthetic cannabinoid.

https://harnesslink.com/usa/adb-fubinaca-synthetic-cannabis-positives-off-the-charts/
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Sunnysideup on May 01, 2024, 11:05:36 PM
Why was the girl throne on there at the end of article they talking about synthetic weed then throw in cal exp at tbe end 5k for baking soda wow
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Harness racer on May 03, 2024, 06:20:14 AM
Why was the girl throne on there at the end of article they talking about synthetic weed then throw in cal exp at tbe end 5k for baking soda wow

The person get $5k and a year when lifetime cheat Wagner gets 7 positives and they treat it as 1?  Hard to imagine why the game is dead to small barns.  tmbz1
Title: Re: Synthetic weed...
Post by: Parked on May 03, 2024, 06:49:48 AM
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