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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Locked in with pace on June 28, 2020, 04:06:35 AM
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interesting point
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https://harnessracingupdate.com/2020/06/28/something-is-rotten-at-yonkers/?fbclid=IwAR3nmuv7koVttbNew42Bj2HdOU-0PDhJy2VvqYO32Jh7daDltX5jmeSBNIE
One question--if Simon Allard is not allowed to race or drive anywhere--why is the mother OK?? Shouldnt it be either they are OK to go as they didnt do anything wrong -or they are both out because they are potentially beards for Rene ?
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The ENTIRE management of racing is LOST. Just change stable name and away we go, same old shit different day.
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is nick surick also racing
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Allard drove at Harrah's Philly this past Friday
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Allard drove at Harrah's Philly this past Friday
EVERYTHING is rotten at Yonkers except the purses.
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Now HRU grows a set of balls. For the last 3 years, they have done nothing but praise Allard. Article after glowing article about his wins at the Gold Cup and Saucer and his Hambo Oaks win with When Doves Cry. Now in Dave Briggs' eyes, Rene is a disease. Briggs is a douche bag with no writing talent and less guts than anyone currently out there publishing. He must enjoy the smell of shit because all he does his kiss ass until it is of no use to him. FACT!!!
Not sure what the issue is with someone writing a positive article about the winner of either of the races you mentioned?
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Now that Covid news is not major top priority, New York can focus on the horse doping stories and give them their just deserved publicity.
MGM Yonkers can get all the negative publicity it can handle on the fact that their 2 top trainers were indicted as well as 3 of of the top 10 were involved in horse doping.
Reserve that wrecking ball.
...as opposed to ignoring it and carry on?
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Go fuck yourself Rene!
Good answer, I never thought of it from that angle.
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Good answer, I never thought of it from that angle.
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Good answer, I never thought of it from that angle.
tough angle
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https://harnessracingupdate.com/2020/06/28/something-is-rotten-at-yonkers/?fbclid=IwAR3nmuv7koVttbNew42Bj2HdOU-0PDhJy2VvqYO32Jh7daDltX5jmeSBNIE
One question--if Simon Allard is not allowed to race or drive anywhere--why is the mother OK?? Shouldnt it be either they are OK to go as they didnt do anything wrong -or they are both out because they are potentially beards for Rene ?
Did you mean Simon or Rene ? I thought only Rene was banned from racing and not his brother Simon .
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dont care who did or said what in the past
just want accurate reporting on these charges so they dont get swept under the rug
article was accurate and raises red flags
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is nick surick also racing
His horses are. ngc3 ngc3
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His horses are. ngc3 ngc3
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And they got Sammy Boy for $92,000.00.................. 73cv.2
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How's your pal Rogers calls lately? ngc3
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I have a very close friend who is in the RCMP and they responded to the US FED's call for assistance. He told me everything led back to WEG and the AGCO and when they went to both offices they were told to come back with subpoenas and at WEG it was Clay Horner who was in charge. His gut feeling is the whole thing on this side of the 49th is more of a cesspool and too many of the board of directors at WEG have too close of an association to all of it. Cassie Coleman is Teflon because of her close association with John Fielding, hell her and her hubby vacation at his Muskoka cottage. If you were to do a check of who are the legal team that are behind WEG as a corporate entity and personally your talking about the top 5 legal firms in all of Canada. To make a long story short they were told to back off and only the Prime Minister can make that call. In my opinion on this side any move to call out who is really involved with this corruption will end up in quick sand and sink quickly.
Weg executives are as corrupt as any, Cassie was tipped off day of her raid and her staff hustled her medication and shock machine out the back door. The Canadian connections to those indicted is long, follow the Agco reports on approved trainer changes
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Back to the original post and the HRU article this is a very slippery slope and a non story. This is not a situation of a banned trainer still training horses with a beard. This is guilt by association in regards to ownership. The trainer in question never owned the horses. Period. His Mother did. Should she be banned or penalized in an ownership situation because her son was arrested? Further, should every immediate relative be banned from ownership? At what point does it stop? Are close friends included? Should every one of the co owner's regardless of relative status from an indicted trainer also be included? Do you have to prove non association with the family member? To me this should never have been written. This is trainer responsibility. Period. They have control of the horse and responsibility for how the horse races. If the new trainer is a beard for the indicted trainer then by all means there should be an investigation. If the indicted trainer breaks any of the rules and gets involved with the new trainer then by all means throw the book at them. Ownership, however, is a different story. Once you start going after owners and co owners who are not the trainer prior to an indictment, regardless of the relationship, then you have crossed over a different line and are purely making assumptions not based in fact but idle speculation.
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Befoe Covid, it was reported that more than the 29 names will be announced. And I'm sure some of the indicted have shared more names to the feds. With all the tracks open now, these "additional names" are back racing and making money????
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Once again it comes down to investigation and someone to do it. Not hard follow the money and Phone taps, but will they do it.
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hahahhah
please swingback, you honestly think it was rene's mother who put up all the money and did the work to buy all those horses , all from quebec, likely never seeing any of them
or did rene really own them and for many reasons( one playing out right now) they were put in his mothers name
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They scratched the first five Allards now trained by Auciello in the Yonkers qualifiers tonight. Guess they got the message
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They have no idea what they are dealing with now. They think they can just treat this as they have always treated situations with the hapless USTA. It's the Feds baby. Banca did it right sell your shit take your licks and turn on others. Rene will play the Canadian card at some point.
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hahahhah
please swingback, you honestly think it was rene's mother who put up all the money and did the work to buy all those horses , all from quebec, likely never seeing any of them
or did rene really own them and for many reasons( one playing out right now) they were put in his mothers name
Forgetting the specific players all I’m saying is this is a troubling premise. Where does it stop? Guilt solely based on assumption and innuendo based on family relation will lead to unexpected consequences.
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Rene owns every one of those horses. At Poconos, he had several "ownerships" so he could put multiple claims in on a horse and increase his chances of getting that horse.
Who believes the blood dopers have stopped because of the indictments of others? The game remains the same, just a shuffle of the deck.
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D racing stable horses now up for sale!!
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All of the "transferred horses from Allard Racing(Mom) to D Racing also (Mom) that were now being trained by Carmen Auciello were scratched from the qualifiers last night at Yonkers. Could it be that someone finally gives a shit ????
Carmen's posted the following on the Canadian forum......
Posted 10 hours ago
I made an error in judgement a couple weeks ago. My US stable has struggled since I opened down there and I saw an opportunity to acquire some very good horses along with some prominent owners. One of which, Stephen Klunowski, who I was trying to help out and who is my biggest owner, and a few others that I have trained some stake horses for but never had a chance to have a long term horse for them. I spoke to the judges in NY and also the race secretary at yonkers. Everybody, including myself, was aware that D Racing Stable was registered to Renes Mom Danielle Allard. She was granted a license to own racehorses, and her horses were approved to race at yonkers and in PA.
In my head I just figured that if I don’t accept these horses, they are just gonna get sent to somebody else, and I would miss out on an opportunity. I put too much faith in our governing bodies, thinking that they must have done their due diligence and must have had good reason to approve D Racing Stable the privilege of owning racehorses. I wasn’t participating in shadow training nor did I plan to, and I was open and honest about everything, trying to be transparent as possible. I actually thought to myself that it looked a lot better that these horses showed up in the entries with myself as trainer rather than an unknown name that pops up out of nowhere, which is what has happened in the past in cases like this.
After spending hours and hours on the phone on Sunday with many different people of importance in both Canada and the US, I decided to scratch the horses and send them back. Just transferring them to another stable wasn’t enough and it still looked very bad to the public and to my fellow horsepeople. For that, I apologize. In no way was I or any of my clients trying to “pull the wool over anybody’s eyes”. We were just trying to make the best out of a bad situation for a bunch of owners, and trying to get these horses back racing. Soon after scratching them, I got a call from Yonkers management telling me that they had reversed their decision and would not be allowing the horses to race.
While I still feel somewhat ashamed and embarrassed for putting myself in this position, the end result is that there are still perfectly good racehorses and a few groups of owners that are stuck in a situation of not being able to race their investments. I’ve been told that for on order for any of these horses to be able to compete, D Racing Stable must be bought out of the partnerships and it must be done properly, transparently and by the law. As of this afternoon, deals are in the works to buy out Ostro Hanover, keystone Phoenix, and Sandys beach, in hopes that I can retain them and be able to race them for Steve and my other new clients. Ourlittlegeneral A is being sold on Ongait, and Birch Island Betty is going back to Renes mom since she owned her in full. I am hoping that in sharing this with everyone, and being up front and honest about it, and taking the proper steps to buy out any remaining pieces owned by D Racing Stable, that these horses will be allowed to compete in the coming weeks, and myself, my clients, and these racetracks will not have to further deal with the “black eye” that descended upon the industry this past week when all of these horses started popping up on the entry sheets with D Racing Stable as owner.
In life, people don’t always do the right thing. We all make mistakes, and many times can make the same mistake more than once. I’m not perfect, nor do I claim to be. But I am for the good of the sport, and try to always act in the best interest of racing. I feel like I am doing that now, along with the tracks, racing commissions, and the hundreds of horsepeople that put their foot down over the last couple days. Even though I maybe didn’t get it right the first time around.
Credit to Carmen for his honesty and transparency on what took/is taking place.
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Transparency, they need to see checks and bill of sales for everything Allards own.
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I love how "sincere" and "transparent" one gets when you get caught with your pants down.
I remember now.
You're that guy that doesn't believe in second chances.
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carmine got caught with his hand in the cookie jar only a matter of time before feds nail him to
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the place is a sewer pit
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ground zero for covid
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he wants us to feel sorry about the owner's investments? These are the same people who perpetuated the torture of animals and benefitted from ill gotten gains for how long?
This guy is a terrible trainer and a worse person
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More fake news... Briggs gave "kudos" in large print to Auciello in todays edition of HRU. Like it was his decision to scratch the horses out of the qualifiers and he only took them because of relationships with some of the owners. BS .. He's been joined at the hip with Allard for years, why do you think he has relations with some of those owners? After Rene got kicked out of Mohawk Woodbine who do you think raced those horses? When Allard allegedly sent the Red Acid or whatever its called to Canada for When Dovescry I'd be willing to bet that Auciello was the recipient considering he was listed as her trainer for the Simcoe and Elegant Image before Allard got reinstated for the Breeders Crown.
Note that for the Causal Breeze at Mohawk Woodbine two weeks before the Simcoe and Elegant Image, Allard was listed as the trainer and she got scratched. The next start up there Auciello was listed .. but they have no relationship ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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More fake news... Briggs gave "kudos" in large print to Auciello in todays edition of HRU. Like it was his decision to scratch the horses out of the qualifiers and he only took them because of relationships with some of the owners. BS .. He's been joined at the hip with Allard for years, why do you think he has relations with some of those owners? After Rene got kicked out of Mohawk Woodbine who do you think raced those horses? When Allard allegedly sent the Red Acid or whatever its called to Canada for When Dovescry I'd be willing to bet that Auciello was the recipient considering he was listed as her trainer for the Simcoe and Elegant Image before Allard got reinstated for the Breeders Crown.
Note that for the Causal Breeze at Mohawk Woodbine two weeks before the Simcoe and Elegant Image, Allard was listed as the trainer and she got scratched. The next start up there Auciello was listed .. but they have no relationship ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
You my friend have no idea! Try doing some homework! I did scratch the horses, you can call the yonkers race secretary and ask him! And check your timelines on the red acid shipment. It was nowhere near when I had the horse. Anddddd, Stephen Klunowski was and owner for me long before he ever had any horses with Rene. Any more questions I can answer for you? Define joined at the hip! I think I’ve raced 3 horses for him over the last 10 years and all of those times he was allowed to come and race in stake races, he just chose not to and sent them to me. I guess cuz they raced well, I must have been a beard for him and gave them the juice right?
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Pretty sure he wasn’t suspended. He was racing on the same days in NY and PA. Is it a crime to send a horse up to me to train? Lol. Any more questions?
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So he sent the horse to you to train for 2 stake races owned by WEG but didn’t send the horse to you for Breeders Crown?
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You're a Saint. How have they not erected a statue of you at Mohawk is beyond me. I guess the program I have with you down as trainer when Rene was suspended on When Doves Cry is a misprint.
If Allard is shipping gas up it must get held up at the border, thebigsexyca is the most inconsistent trainer at the jockey club, when they're hot they're unbeatable when the tank is empty theyre brutally bad
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Same as all stables
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carmen....dont think you can win this one....
Haha I know. I’m just bored and nothing else to do!
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So he sent the horse to you to train for 2 stake races owned by WEG but didn’t send the horse to you for Breeders Crown?
Ummm is that a real question? Yes? Isn’t that what it says in your program? I guess he wasn’t happy she got beat in the Elegantimage and wanted to train her himself.
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Ummm is that a real question? Yes? Isn’t that what it says in your program? I guess he wasn’t happy she got beat in the Elegantimage and wanted to train her himself.
Why waste your time on here??
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i applaud carmen for coming on the site and identifying himself and defending himself and giving his side
well done
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Carmen always says he is completely above board.
Should have been a politician.
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it was a very well written article. Whoever wrote it.